Thanks for the heads-up on the Washington Dollar Errors!

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by huntsman53, Feb 23, 2007.

  1. huntsman53

    huntsman53 Supporter**


    Doug,

    Where can this realease be found? I have not seen it and it is not on the Web page that I provided the link to! They should provide this information on the same Web page, so that everyone will know what is and what isn't. Also, why should these coins (with Incuse Edge-Inscriptions) be any different than the old Half Dollars and Large Cents with similar Edge-Inscriptions? Are not these considered to be error if they have upside down Edge-Inscriptions on them?

    The next thing you know, someone will say that in the case of the Washington Dollars that I have with extra Lettering strewn amongst the normal Edge-Inscription Lettering, "It's not an error pal - it's pure random chance!"!
     
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  3. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator


    No, it isn't on that web page. But there has been an article about it in just about every issue of Coin World and Numismatic News for the past month now. I post below a direct quote from an article in the Feb. 12th issue of Coin World, page 1, with comments and information provided by Kevin A. Hamer, the U.S. Mint’s Deputy Associate Director for Sales and Marketing -

    " The edge lettering on the Presidential dollars is being applied after the coin is struck. Mint workers are not orienting the coins the same side up as they are fed into the edge-lettering equipment. That means the orientation of the lettering in relation to the obverse and reverse will vary depending on how the struck coin is fed through the edge-lettering machinery. "

    You can also find additional articles on the same subject on page 1 2/26/07 - page 4 3/7/07. In the Mar.3 issue, there is even an article on this very subject about how some are mistaken in thinking that the varying edge lettering is an error.

    Sorry Frank - it's not.
     
  4. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Simple answer to that is that no that no they are not considered to be errors. The lettered edged cents and halves and dollars all come with edge lettering sometimes right side up and sometimes upside down. The only time orientation is considered important on those older coins is in the rare case where one of the edge dies was installed in the Castaining machine upside down and half the edge lettering on the coin is right side up and the other half is upside down. Or cases where the planchet was lettered twice with it being flipped over between letterings.
     
  5. Jim M

    Jim M Ride it like ya stole it

    March 12th 2007 Coin World Page One. They are not errors.
     
  6. Juice0366

    Juice0366 New Member

    Upside down lettering is in error!!!

    I called and spoke with the US Mint and found out that the lettering is supposed to face up when viewing Washington’s head. The position of the lettering is what varies not the direction it faces. So upside down lettering would be an error coin.
     
  7. Juice0366

    Juice0366 New Member

    I feel huntman53 is right!! His information matches what the US Mint site said and wht the Mint rep told me;

    "The U.S. Mint wrote concerning the Incused-Edge Inscriptions! They state the following: "Due to the minting process used on the circulating coins, the edge-incused inscription positions will vary with each coin." This means that the inscription will vary in position in reference to where it may start or end on the coin's edge (i.e. on one coin the inscription may start at K-12:00 while on another, it may start at K-5:30 and start at K-9:00 on another). This in no way references whether the inscription should be rightside up or upside down in reference to the Obverse of the coin."

    I guess in a few months we'll know for sure which is correct.
     
  8. Juice0366

    Juice0366 New Member

    The US Mint reference picture shows all three coins the Washington's head up and the edge lettering up, but positioned differently.
     
  9. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator


    Yes it does, but that is because that picture is showing how the Proof examples will be. On the Proof examples, all of the edge lettering will postioned so that it is right side up and readable when the obverse side of the coin is up. This is absolutely not true for the business strike examples.

    Now, if you wish, I will happily provide you with an email address (privately) for a senior US Mint official and you can ask them yourself.
     
  10. Dockwalliper

    Dockwalliper Coin Hoarder

    These are NOT errors and we have known this for months.
    Numismatic News December 26th, Front page article titled "Letters on Proofs always Up"

    ",on proofs, the tops of the letters and numerals on the edge will always read correctly with the presidential "heads" side up.
    On circulation strikes,the edge lettering is rolled into the edge after striking of the face designs, so the tops of letters could be oriented toward either side of the coin. Also, on these strikes the edge inscription could be rotated to appear at any point around the edge."
     
  11. Captainkirk

    Captainkirk 73 Buick Riviera owner

    People are NOT getting this information. 'Upside Down' "errors" are going UP in price.
    http://cgi.ebay.com/GEORGE-WASHINGT...773QQihZ019QQcategoryZ523QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
     
  12. Dockwalliper

    Dockwalliper Coin Hoarder

    These people are FOOLS!

    And you know what they say about fools and their money............
     
  13. Pocket Change

    Pocket Change Coin Collector

    It seems that winning bidder has a (0) rating. Figures.

    Looks like they're going to need about 10 pages in the next Red Book to list all the "variations" on this piece of change!
     
  14. Jim M

    Jim M Ride it like ya stole it

  15. FHDave

    FHDave Senior Member

    LOL...nice try Jim, but some people are not going to believe it is not an error no matter what is said here or in press releases or news articles. :desk:
     
  16. foundinrolls

    foundinrolls Roll Searching Enthusiast

    If that is not a camera trick, and it doesn't look like one:) That has to be a doubled edge lettered error. That is NICE!!! It had to have the edge lettering stamped twice for that to happen.
     
  17. smullen

    smullen Coin Hoarder

    ASk ND86.... Whats his take on this...

    If anyone here knows, I'd say it was him....

    No offence ment to the others... Most if not all you are more in the know than me...
     
  18. Dockwalliper

    Dockwalliper Coin Hoarder

    The edge lettering is rolled on for the circulation coins. This one went thru twice.

    Unlike the plain edge coins, this one would be tough to fake.
     
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