Pretty good fake for everyone to study

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you send it in?

 

Yes, I did. I thought the luster was impaired or the surfaces may have been altered, but it fooled me, plain and simple. I thought it still had a shot at grading. Luckily, I kept the original holder and receipt and a refund of the purchase price (not my cert fees, of course), is on the way.

 

Should have known better, but my trust in the dealer made me overlook certain things, like the "L". DUH!

 

Thanks for sharing this and with such good pictures for us to go by. Maybe it's due in part to your fantastic images, but the weakness in the strike of the forehead and overly sharp definition of the strike along the chin and neck, coupled with other "mushy" details within the back of the neck, all within the portrait alone, scream suspicious, without looking any farther. I hope you are not out too much or have some recourse with recovering losses with your source in obtaining this piece. If there is a dubious seller we all should be wary of, might you share that information?

edit: glad you got a refund on the way! Certification fees are a small fine to pay for a lesson learned the hard way. I'm sure you'll be much more alert in the future.

 

You're gonna save the pics though right? That is a nice counterfeit example. But shucks on your part.

 

It is a better counterfeit, but there are a couple of tell tale "bubbles" - one behind the third feather up, the other on the neck and a small one in front of Ms Liberty's mouth. And yes, the L has too much serif.

 

I think it would have fooled most of us, except for the folks specialized in IHCs. Thanks for sharing... will keep the bubble and L in mind

 

Did they get the weight right?

 

Every time someone posts one of these fakes I learn a lot. I hat that you have to loose out on it (your cert fees that is) but you learn and the rest of us learn. Thanks for sharin' this.

 

Yes. I'm hearing and finding more and more that weight is no longer a reliable way to discover a counterfeit. And as far as the "bubbles," I am not familiar with Indian cents, but I know that certain Snow varieties have dots and raised areas, so they didn't concern me at the time.

 

Thank you for sharing. It's always instructive to examine pictures of the good fakes coupled with the comments of the experts.

 

The seller is top notch. A wholesaler whom I have no suspicion of whatsoever. It simply got by him, too. Hopefully we can all learn a lot by this. Enjoy!

 

I bet the maker of these has put out hundreds of them into the collector world...

 

Does anyone see anything wrong with the reverse?

What's going on with the denticles just past 12 o'clock and 6 o'clock? Did they put small dings there on purpose or is it a casting fault?

 

C-B-D, thank you very much for sharing. I agree, especially at first glance, its a well done fake.

Is it me, or do others have a hard time "Liking" a post like this? I mean, I appreciate it very much of C-B-D, but I just have a hard time hitting the "Like" button when shown a fake.

 

First thing I noticed was the roughness in the surface around the wreath and shield on the reverse. This coin is 3 or 4 tweaks away from being slab-worthy.

 

I know this is a semi-key date, but my brain just isn't trained to suspect every single coin when making purchases. Kinda takes the fun out of it all. But so does owning a bunch of counterfeits...

 

I would definitely buy this one for my reference collection, but at a counterfeit price of course

 

I'm no expert but when it's blown up with your great pics there are issues I see and would suspect. I hand with just a 10x loupe I don't know I'd catch any of it.

On a side note, IMO I think the TPGs should be required to stamp a big "C" on any counterfeit coin prior to return to insure it isn't put back on the market. Not all people will gracefully take a loss.