Post an MS/SP69 or MS/SP70 Kennedy from the Years 1964 thru 1974

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by 19Lyds, Nov 27, 2014.

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  1. 19Lyds

    19Lyds Member of the United States of Confusion

    No SEGS or any other "Garage Slabbers". ONLY reputable TPG's.

    No MS68's or SP68's please, just MS69, SP69, MS70, or SP70.
     
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    19Lyds, Nov 27, 2014
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  3. geekpryde

    geekpryde Husband and Father Moderator

    Does a coin in that grade even exist from 1964-1974???

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    Basically I see none ever graded by PCGS, and only like a handful by NGC.

    Not something I think too many people at CT own to post about...
     
    geekpryde, Nov 27, 2014
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  4. 19Lyds

    19Lyds Member of the United States of Confusion

    My point exactly.

    Why would anybody expect MS/SP69 or MS/SP70 coins for 2014 which were minted from the exact same cnclad planchets?
     
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  5. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    Because the technology and handling processes have improved. Also, because Kennedy's are only made for collectors now - and they demand perfection.
     
    physics-fan3.14, Nov 27, 2014
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  6. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Are you sure about that, Jason? It has always been my understanding that the Mint was required by law to strike the Kennedy, but they don't have to release them into circulation unless it is necessary.

    Chris
     
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  7. Tim C

    Tim C Active Member

    I wasn’t aware that collectors demanded perfection …… just trying to find the best example possible / affordable for the date and mintmark is enough.
     
    Tim C, Nov 28, 2014
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  8. halfdollarderek

    halfdollarderek Member

    my short collection is laughable but was within budget... 1417158014937.jpg 1417157948738.jpg
     
    halfdollarderek, Nov 28, 2014
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  9. Tim C

    Tim C Active Member

    The OP didn’t stated that it had to be from any certain grading companies so three out of the six coins meet his requirements (the 1964, 1968-S and 1969-S are Proofs not SP or MS so they don’t count).

    But it appears that they are more common then folks thought when you consider all slabs!
     
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  10. Vegas Vic

    Vegas Vic Undermedicated psychiatric patient

    Halfdollarderek has been buying from 40_mila again.
     
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  11. 19Lyds

    19Lyds Member of the United States of Confusion

    Perhaps for proof coins which are as close to "handled by hand" as a mass production manufacturing facility can achieve but certainly not for circulation quality coins. And while these may have possibly had special handling, that handling has nothing to do with trying to get a "high relief" design onto a CnClad planchet. It just could not happen especially since they couldn't get it to happen in the years of 1964-1970 on a softer silver planchet.
     
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  12. 19Lyds

    19Lyds Member of the United States of Confusion

    Yeah right.

    I've modified the post to reflect no garage slabbers.
     
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  13. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Let me know if you expand the list to include 1998.

    Chris;)
     
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  14. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Have they ? And if so, when did these improvements occur ?

    That change occurred at the end of 2001, not just recently. Kennedy halves dated 2002, and from then on, were not minted for circulation.

    Now the following numbers do not specifically address the dates asked about by the OP. These numbers were gathered by Mark Ferguson and published in Coin World in April of 2005. And they certainly do indicate a change, a drastic change, but a change in what ?

    Kennedy half

    NGC

    MS69 pop at the end of 2003 - 0
    MS69 pop at the end of 2004 - 1
    MS70 pop at the end of 2003 - 0
    MS70 pop at the end of 2004 - 0
    PF69 DCAM pop at the end of 2003 - 14,431
    PF69 DCAM pop at the end of 2004 - 29,375 - increase of 200%
    PF70 DCAM pop at the end of 2003 - 568
    PF70 DCAM pop at the end of 2004 - 1,555 - increase of 270%

    PCGS

    MS69 pop at the end of 2003 - 759
    MS69 pop at the end of 2004 - 1,074 - increase of 40%
    MS70 pop at the end of 2003 - 134
    MS70 pop at the end of 2004 - 141 - neglible increase
    PF69 DCAM pop at the end of 2003 - 29,181
    PF69 DCAM pop at the end of 2004 - 96,323 - increase of 330%
    PF70 DCAM pop at the end of 2003 - 1,460
    PF70 DCAM pop at the end of 2004 - 2,214 - increase of 65%

    Between the end of 2003 and the end of 2004 the mint didn't change anything. They were still using the same presses, to mint the same coins from the same planchets. And business strikes were still handled the same way, and Proofs were still handled the same way. Nothing changed at the mint during that single year.

    That said, what is the only thing left that could have changed ?

    And for those that have access to the pop numbers, you might want to compare the numbers above, to the numbers they show today.
     
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  15. 19Lyds

    19Lyds Member of the United States of Confusion

    Nope. Just going for the high relief Kennedy's
     
    19Lyds, Nov 28, 2014
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  16. 19Lyds

    19Lyds Member of the United States of Confusion

    I could be wrong but it looks like your hijacking (steering) the thread toward a discussion of your views of a change in grading standards by the TPG's.
     
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  17. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Not my intention at all. Rather it was to counter the idea that the reason for such huge increases in the ultra grades, not only in 2014 (which is the coins you mentioned) but for other years as well, is not the result the of improvements in technology or changes at the mint.
     
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  18. 19Lyds

    19Lyds Member of the United States of Confusion

    Correct, except that there aren't ANY MS69 or MS70 High Relief CnClad Kennedy Half Dollars from 2014 which is the point of the thread.
     
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  19. halfdollarderek

    halfdollarderek Member

    i got those sgs slabbed halves off ebay from the sgs dealer with coa's about 3 years ago
     
    halfdollarderek, Nov 28, 2014
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  20. Vegas Vic

    Vegas Vic Undermedicated psychiatric patient

    Since when did slabs come with coa's?
     
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  21. 19Lyds

    19Lyds Member of the United States of Confusion

    SGS Slabs will come with whatever you want including the 70 grade. If that's what you want.
     
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