Can anyone tell me what all these UK grades equal in the US system...thanks ! FDC AFDC BU UNC AUNC GEF EF NEF GVF VF NVF GF F NF Fair Poor Basil State Thanks !
Same thing they mean here. Only difference is they use an adjectival system instead of a numerical system. I always get a laugh out of it when they say they don't have as many grades as we do, but if you count all those adjectives they sure get close. A = about, G = Good, N = Nice, and so on. FDC - MS65 or better AFDC - MS64 BU - MS63 UNC - MS60 AUNC - AU55 GEF - AU50 EF - EF45 NEF - EF40 GVF - VF35 VF - VF30 NVF - VF25 GF - VF20 F - F15 NF - F12 Fair - Good Poor - About Good Basil State - PO1
Rough - verrrrry rough - crossover guide (my opinion only): FDC = MS69-70 AFDC= MS66-68 BU = MS63-65 UNC = MS60-62 AUNC=AU-58 GEF= AU 55 EF = AU 50 NEF = EF-45 GVF = EF-40 VF = VF-30 NVF = VF-20 GF = F-12 F = F-10 NF = VG-8 Fair = G-4 Poor = P-0-AG-3 Basil State = Barely recognizable as some kind of coin Edited to add: Doug types faster than I do.
There's no such thing as 'Basil state' in the British Commonwealth grading system.There is also no such thing as 'NF','NVF','GVF','NEF','GEF',or 'AFDC' in our system either. Aidan.
Well Aidan, then I suggest that you tell that to the folks and dealers there, because they certainly use those exact terms.
Doug,I do work for a coin dealer on a part-time basis,& he has never used those terms as I have explained in my previous posting. He uses these as grades - 'G','VG','F','gF,'VF','gVF,'EF','gEF','AU','Unc.',& Proof.The only other one that he uses only occasionally is Proof-like. Aidan.
Mr. Work - Please become aware that what you and your part-time employer do in New Zealand is not the be all and end all of coin dealing in England. I have personally seen the full range of "grades" cited in the original post in the internet and print ads of multiple dealers in England.
Roy,the dealer I work for is not a part-timer.He has been in the trade since 1966,but even he makes mistakes when it comes to grading.No one grading system is foolproof. The grading systems that include numbers are too confusing for us British Commonwealth numismatists,which is why we stick to using a basic system.Sections of the trade in England have their own variations of the grading system. Aidan.
IMHO the american system is better I have been collecting British commonwealth coins using that scale and it works perfectly fine. Just look at the american coin market its bigger than the rest of the world combined
I second. I have seen those adjectives not only in England but in US too. A famous California based world coin dealer always uses adjectives on his coins for all grades. For higher-end world coins, his adjectives/MS conversion is: BU (MS-60); Nice BU (MS-61); Lovely BU (MS-62); Sharp BU (MS-63); Lovely Sharp BU (MS-64); Choice BU (MS-65); Lovely Choice BU (MS-66); Superb Choice BU (MS-67); Gem BU (MS-68) BTW, this dealer is also a PCGS grader for world coins. Regards, Ballabh Garg
Aidan, wouldn't you say a small part of the problem might be that you are in New Zealand and we are talking about England. Could it not be that they do things differently than you do ?
Doug,our grading system is very similar to the British system,so a dealer from New Zealand who sells at a coin show in England will get an agreement of opinion from an English dealer with regards to grades. As I have explained to Roy,no one system of grading is foolproof. Dopeuser,you are right about Canadians using the 70 point grading system,but it is usually for their own coins.Some Canadian dealers & collectors do not use the 70 point grading system,however.There was an attempt to introduce a 70 point grading system & slabbing for banknotes,but the notaphilic community in Canada really flipped over this. Aidan.
All British dealers randomly choose which grades they have, some have much larger scales than others. Some include odd terms like As Struck (for coins which are very very poorly struck), and pAS (Probably as struck)
