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I figured that.

 

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As a newby I would say that the G06 grading is a little tough. How can y'all see the overstrike? I always have trouble seeing those.

 

If this coin was an early die state, which it is no, the over date would look something like this.

 

What it is graded often depends on whether you are buying or selling... : - )

 

thanks coinzip, now that you've shown an example I can see a portion of the original numeral by zooming in closely on the date.

 

Wow, wouldn't have guessed that. Personally would buy as a VG10 coin.

 

I agree with the 6 but would pay a bit more.

 

Actually, upon further inspection... They called this a VG10. Bust halves are tough to grade sometimes cause of those weak strikes!

 

The 1812 pictured is a LDS (late die state) which means the dies were in the late stage of their life. Often LDS coins have little or no dentils, which is usually interpreted as wear. Once again if you look at the eagles left wing or the wing on your right, it looks VF to me.

 

I'm thinking they were too harsh in this instance.

 

You have to be careful judging capped bust halves by the rims. Later die stages on many varieties can be lacking denticals/rims even on high grade coins.

 

I agree, but the obverse lacking any ear detail, couple with the fact the reverse showed a full strike, is why I said VG8. I agree G was harsh as an overall grade for the coin.

 

So what is this saying? Some private company grades on their own rules, then puts out examples of their own rules. Well of course they will know their own rules better than others. What happens when they change them to make more money though? When they simply replace all of these photos with new ones to encourage more crackouts and resubmissions, will you still be fine with "theirs is the best rules to follow"? I sure wish I could get into a business model where I can change the rules at my whim to maximize my shareholder returns. Sounds very profitable.

Edit: Sorry Morgandude if this sounded too cranky. I have been working all day. I didn't mean for it to come across that way.

 

It does sound very profitable until they change the rules one too many times. Then the whole exercise will become meaningless.

 

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I'll be honest, the picture shows a G4 coin if you grade it strictly. G6 would be acceptable (as PCGS calls it), but I can't see it any higher than that. I might be willing to pay more, but lets call a spade a spade and then haggle over price.

I know a lot of specialists like to claim that strike variations due to the different die marriages must be considered. I myself am a student of the Capped Bust series. However, when we are talking about grades this low, the differences in character due to die marriage become irrelevant - the amount of detail shows a G coin, and that's it. For me personally, hashing things out below EF just doesn't make sense. It doesn't matter that, even in UNC, the coin is missing half its detail. Once its circulated, the coin can completely bypass EF and VF and go straight to an F coin - if that is how much detail remains, then that is the grade the coin gets.

 

I agree with your statement Jason. I don't know if that will ever happen as it seems this hobby attracts people who like to argue the minutia at any level.

 

what you describe sir is exactly how ancients are graded. We ignore things like weak strikes and simply grade based upon how much detail is left, regardless of the reason. I agree with your point of view entirely, which is why I like collecting ancients more. I understand what US collectors are saying, I simply just don't CARE why the detail is not there, just that its not.

 

Agreed on this. My grade was G06 for the original coin, but I can see why someone would pay more than average for the grade for that one.

 

That's why I called it a VG as well.