Everyone is entitled to their opinion

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  1. Kasia

    Kasia Got my learning hat on

    I'm going to say G6.... that obverse is not worthy of an 8.
     
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  3. torontokuba

    torontokuba Thread Crapper & Hijacker, TP please.

    It's like debating single points in MS, you can be anal about it, or optimistic in your subjective opinion. They all fit to this coin...

    FR-2
    Mostly worn, though some detail is visible
    AG-3
    Worn rims but most lettering is readable though worn
    G-4
    Slightly worn rims, flat detail, peripheral lettering nearly full
    G-6
    Rims complete with flat detail, peripheral lettering full
    VG-8
    Design worn with slight detail
    VG-10
    Design worn with slight detail, slightly clearer
     
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  4. micbraun

    micbraun coindiccted

    VG08...? But as others have said before, I also think PCGS graded it higher than they should.
     
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  5. coinzip

    coinzip Well-Known Member

    Keep in mind the title of this thread is
    "Everyone is entitled to their opinion"

    So its only fair that we give PCGS the right to their opinion too.....

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  6. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    Agreed on the overdate.

    I too grade the coin F12 for the reverse detail, but it doesn't warrant Fine money.

    The obverse die exhibits a great deal of erosion, probably from use before being dated 1824. The reverse die may have been newly cut when put into the press with the obverse die already having served out most of its useful life, thus explaining the unequal detail under equal striking pressure.

    - Mike
     
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  7. Mainebill

    Mainebill Bethany Danielle

    Was gonna say vg-8 I can see the 6 too as liberty is not clear which is usually the deciding factor between g-vg. The reverse is far better figured they'd net grade it vg
     
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  8. Kirkuleez

    Kirkuleez 80 proof

    G-6 is a bit tough, but I agree with the grade for the same reasons that Sinsei Doug has already stated.

    Most say that he is to harsh of a grader, but you have to look at the coin in its entirety to assign a grade; just looking at a single wing on the reverse doesn't tell the whole story. What if the obverse was badly damaged, would using a reverse design element help assigning a grade.
     
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  9. Maxfli

    Maxfli Well-Known Member

    Which is why I'm guessing F12.
     
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  10. Kirkuleez

    Kirkuleez 80 proof

    Ahh... See above.
     
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  11. mikem2000

    mikem2000 Lost Cause

    I think PCGS was a bit tough on that coin. I Think that coin grades VG8 all day long any day, and VG 10 on a good day.

    Mike
     
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  12. KSorbo

    KSorbo Well-Known Member

    I was guessing that the grade would be a surprise at the opposite extreme. It makes me wonder about their consistency...
     
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  13. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Simply amazing aint it :)
     
    GDJMSP, Nov 22, 2014
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  14. afantiques

    afantiques Well-Known Member

    As a British dealer/collector I'd call it VG.
     
    afantiques, Nov 22, 2014
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  15. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    Another rant by Doug on TPGs. What else is new? The coin appears to me VG 8. The PCGS photo grade is most helpful for most collectors,despite what our fearless leader states.:)
     
    Morgandude11, Nov 22, 2014
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  16. Vegas Vic

    Vegas Vic Undermedicated psychiatric patient

    Except for the negative pcgs comments I totally agree with doug on this one the rim is really worn
     
    Vegas Vic, Nov 22, 2014
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  17. sshafer11

    sshafer11 Head Research Assistant - Coin Show Radio

    Classic case of market grading. Reverse is a strong VG but the obverse is a G6. The coin can only grade as high as the obverse since that is what people and the "market" tend to favor.
     
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  18. torontokuba

    torontokuba Thread Crapper & Hijacker, TP please.

    If we're going to be very strict and literal, I don't see how it could really be G6, judging by the description of G-6 "Rims complete with flat detail, peripheral lettering full". Doesn't G4 offer a more accurate description of the reverse "Slightly worn rims, flat detail, peripheral lettering nearly full"? AG-3 looks even better "Worn rims but most lettering is readable though worn".

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    The coin just looks too nice to drop it that much. At some point, eye appeal and common sense must take over. Wear patterns and strike weakness will vary from coin to coin, so will opinions on grading.
     
    torontokuba, Nov 22, 2014
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  19. torontokuba

    torontokuba Thread Crapper & Hijacker, TP please.

    Wait, which one is the reverse?
     
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  20. Kirkuleez

    Kirkuleez 80 proof

    Tails
     
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  21. torontokuba

    torontokuba Thread Crapper & Hijacker, TP please.

    I know, I was under the impression that the reverse deserved the G6.
     
    torontokuba, Nov 22, 2014
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