Everyone is entitled to their opinion

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  1. coinzip

    coinzip Well-Known Member

    Grading is an opinion, and everyone is entitled to their own opinion. So whats your opinion on the grade of this Bust Half Dollar?

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    Here is a screen capture of PCGS's photo grade for this series.

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  3. Jim M

    Jim M Ride it like ya stole it

    F12
     
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  4. Taxidermist

    Taxidermist Collector of US/IL/RU/DE

    VG10
     
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  5. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    1824/1 overdate. F12
     
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  6. torontokuba

    torontokuba Thread Crapper & Hijacker, TP please.

    VG08 looks appropriate.
     
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  7. McBlzr

    McBlzr Sr Professional Collector

    VG08 is my opinion
     
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  8. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    Ok I will be the jerk and call it a VG08. I appreciate the eye detail, but the ear is about obliterated. The rim fading on the reverse is not helping either.
     
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  9. coinzip

    coinzip Well-Known Member

    Some times Bust Halves can really throw a curve ball at you, if they are struck weak they can look like they have more wear than they actually do. Most Bust Half collectors will use the eagle's left wing or the wing on your right to grade.

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  10. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    True, but look at the scroll. The scroll is actually exceedingly a great strike, so I do not see any evidence of the weak strike sir. In my experience the scroll having weak letters is the easiest clue as to quality of strike. This one is very strong, (actually I love the coin in that regard), but has wear all over the reverse so much so the legends are starting to blend into the rims.
     
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  11. deacon2828

    deacon2828 Active Member

    vg-8 obv f-12 rev !!
     
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  12. harris498

    harris498 Accumulator

    I think I'm in the F-12 camp as well, but I do tend to overgrade CBHs.
     
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  13. bsowa1029

    bsowa1029 Franklin Half Addict

    My first thought was VG10. However, after looking at the screenshot of the PCGS Photograde I'll say VG08. Obverse looks 06 reverse looks 10, meet in the middle and call it an 08.
     
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  14. 712

    712 Constatutionalist, U.S.N. Viet Nam vet 66'

    I agree with beer lover on the overdate but F details
     
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  15. coinzip

    coinzip Well-Known Member

    Who is beer lover?

    Are you saying it should be have a "Details" grade?
     
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  16. 712

    712 Constatutionalist, U.S.N. Viet Nam vet 66'

    C.B.D. and yes for a details grade but otherwise F12
     
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  17. 712

    712 Constatutionalist, U.S.N. Viet Nam vet 66'

    CORRECTION, that would be C-B-D, I'm kind of out of it this morning,
     
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  18. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    I would call it an 8. Not enough obv hair definition to be a Fine.
     
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  19. KSorbo

    KSorbo Well-Known Member

    I would say VG8 on the obverse as there is very little detail remaining on the bust. The left wing shows even more feather detail than the VG10 example, so the reverse may be closer to an F12. Since the obverse usually dominates I would say VG10, or F12 if somebody was really being generous.

    HOWEVER... If the grade wasn't a surprise you probably wouldn't have posted the coin. Also, the coin is in a new PCGS holder and there have been a lot of stories lately about those being overgraded.

    So I'm going to go out on a limb and say they graded it F15 or even VF20...
     
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  20. Maxfli

    Maxfli Well-Known Member

    I'm gonna guess F12.
     
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  21. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Even if you were to use the PCGS pics as a grading guide, which all by itself is a bad idea in my opinion, but IF you were to use it, look at the VG8 pics. The rim is present all the way around the coin.

    Now look at the G6. The rim is partially worn flat. Thus this coin, by those standards, can be no better than a G6. And it doesn't matter how much detail is left on one wing. If the rim is partially worn away, it can't be any better than G6.

    Now what do ya want to bet that PCGS did not follow their own standards ?
     
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