I require Technical Assistance

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by fred13, Nov 15, 2014.

  1. fred13

    fred13 Junior Member

    Can anyone explain to me what is going on with this coin in detail? I'm a bit confused as I see adjustment marks on the obverse and reverse but they seem to be only located on the rims. I've never seen this before. Other than this I am aware of the cracked planchet in front of the mouth but I have absolutely no idea whats going on behind the back and front of the head other than an exorcism taking place.

    But in all seriousness it would be a badge if someone could take the time to explain to me what is happening with this piece.
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  3. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    It looks like a die clash and those are the leaves from the reverse showing on the obverse.

    Chris
     
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  4. fred13

    fred13 Junior Member

    I don't think that explains it all though because it doesn't match up well and more so it would be very strange that only those leaves show up
     
  5. Kirkuleez

    Kirkuleez 80 proof

    It seems like a clashed die explains it all pretty well. You can even see remnants of the hair on the reverse on the right side. What are you seeing that doesn't match?
     
  6. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    All I see match clash marks.
     
  7. saltysam-1

    saltysam-1 Junior Member

    Definitely as Chris and the others have stated. On a coin the reverse die is upside down to the position of the obverse die. Even what you call adjustment marks, are the bottom of the reverse die striking the top of the obverse die. The leaves then match up accordingly.
     
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  8. Tom B

    Tom B TomB Everywhere Else

    It's definitely a die clash and if it doesn't line up exactly then that is because the dies rotated between the clash and the striking of this coin.
     
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  9. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    Look at the rim at 11 to 12 o'clock, scratch marks
     
  10. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    It's not strange at all. For example, die clashes are extremely common on Morgan dollars. There are tens of thousands of them. Yet, there is no rhyme nor reason why one device shows on one die but not on another.

    Chris
     
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  11. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Who has the software to do an overlay, anybody ?

    Physically impossible. The portion of a die that forms the rims of a coin are shouldered, the lowest part of the die. So it is impossible for the rims of one die to come into contact with the rims of the other die.

    And besides that, the rims of this coin are supposed to be smooth on top, not rough and jagged as the rims on this coin are in places, both obv and rev. The only way it is physically possible for the rims of this coin to have those scratches that they do is if they occurred post strike. In other words, post strike adjustment marks, but adjustment marks that only occur on the rims.
     
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  12. x115

    x115 Collector

    like this ? the overlay is a little off
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  13. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Works for me. I didn't think the leaves lined up quite right from just looking at it, but they do.
     
  14. SPP Ottawa

    SPP Ottawa Numismatist

    Beautiful example of clashed dies. Thanks for sharing.
     
  15. fred13

    fred13 Junior Member

    Thanks to Everyone for the help!
     
  16. H8_modern

    H8_modern Attracted to small round-ish art

    Looks like a clashed die to me.



    What, am I a little late to the party? Oh, you've confirmed my opinion. Damn I'm good.
     
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