Boy I do like your pictures!!! For me I think they are both damage, but that's me. A cud is raised filled in die break extending from the rim into the field with some displacement on the opposite side. Here cpm9ball explains it a bit more in this thread: www.cointalk.com/threads/1776-1976-usa-quarter-cud-furryfrog02-this-one-is-for-you-focus-i-am-focused-i-hope-lol.254975/