1939 D Jefferson Nickel DDO not recognized by PCGS or NGC

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  1. Agilmore01

    Agilmore01 Well-Known Member

    I bought a 1939 D Jefferson nickel graded by ANACS. It has a decently strong doubled die on the date and on Liberty. It's not the first one I have encountered graded by ANACS. Why does PCGS and NGC not recognize this variety? It's stronger than the 1935 S Buffalo nickel DDR I just bought and they attribute that one. I think I read before they only recognize coins listed in the Cherrypickers Guide. It's hard for me to get good pics, so this is the best I can get on the date.
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  3. brg5658

    brg5658 Well-Known Member

    You answered your own question.
     
  4. Agilmore01

    Agilmore01 Well-Known Member

    I guess they want a "FS" number to assign to it? I am just surprised this is not a recognized variety by anyone but ANACS. Would be nice to have a PCGS recognized variety on a key date coin for the series...
     
  5. brg5658

    brg5658 Well-Known Member

    As you noted, I also thought that both PCGS and NGC require that coins have a Fivaz/Stanton number to attribute the variety.

    Here is the NGC list.

    Note that your DDO is actually among those attributed by NGC though as DDO-001. Link here.

    PCGS does not apparently include the 1939-D DDO among their list of Jefferson Nickel varieties attributed, at least it's not in their "All varieties" registry set.
     
  6. Agilmore01

    Agilmore01 Well-Known Member

    That's awesome. Thanks for the link. I only looked at PCGS' s website. I "assumed" they were both the same. Might crack out and submit.
     
  7. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    NGC & PCGS are definitely not the Bobbsey Twins.

    Chris
     
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  8. Agilmore01

    Agilmore01 Well-Known Member

    Just saw this on Heritage. If PCGS does not list it as a variety they recognize, how did this one get it?
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  9. brg5658

    brg5658 Well-Known Member

    Who knows. But, it's not a part of the official PCGS Registry sets of "all varieties" -- it's not uncommon for PCGS and NGC to attribute something on occasion, even if it's not a part of their "official" list of attributions. I can't explain more than that.
     
  10. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    I really have to disagree with you.
    NOT as strong as the 1935 Buffalo DDR.


    Why not submit for a crossover?

    Or won't they cross ANACS?
     
  11. Agilmore01

    Agilmore01 Well-Known Member

    I have a 1935 S Buffalo DDR and the doubling is no more evident than my 1939 Jeff. Don't think PCGS takes crossovers from ANACS.
     
  12. robec

    robec Junior Member

    PCGS may recognize it, but you may have to pay for the variety service to have it attributed on the slab.
     
  13. Agilmore01

    Agilmore01 Well-Known Member

    This is a screenshot from NGC website of the doubling. I think it is fairly nice for it to be overlooked by PCGS and just be considered a minor variety.
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  14. 19Lyds

    19Lyds Member of the United States of Confusion

    Easy. The submitter paid a Variety Attribution Fee as it is obviously a DDO BUT, the coin number assigned is exactly the same as the 1939-D Rev of 38 (4005).

    Take note f the "V" in front of the coin number.

    Also note that there is no corresponding "FS" Number.
     
  15. Agilmore01

    Agilmore01 Well-Known Member

    So for clarification, even if PCGS does not officially recognize the variety, you can ask them to anyways, if you pay them? How would you do that, write it on your submission form?
     
  16. 19Lyds

    19Lyds Member of the United States of Confusion

    Yes. Specify the correct coin number and Doubled Die Obverse in the Variety Column. It should get a "Minor Variety" title on the slab label.

    Nowever, the "V" in front of the coin number would exclude the coin from being in any Registry Set. Just like the "E" for error coins.
     
  17. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    You better hold onto that coin. If PCGS ever does add that variety to their registry, your coin will suddenly become very valuable. And it is still a very nice example of the coveted 39-D, I love it!
     
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  18. Agilmore01

    Agilmore01 Well-Known Member

    I did have not for sale on ebay, but pulled it several days ago when I saw NGC has only certified 2 in all grades. I figured it only cost me $45, so I might hold on to it for the same reason you stated.
     
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