Is this an overdate?

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Alan

It appears to be the O-101, 4/1.

So, technically I would guess it should be classified as an overdate.

However, the 4/4 should be a RPD.

 

I'm thinking it's a miscut 4 as stated in the description for 101a in Parsleys book . But Frank knows his Bust halves and I'm just learning . Still a great coin for your site , Alan .

 

The 1824 O-101 and the O-102 share the same obverse die.

The "Red Book" calls it an overdate, PCGS and NGC will both certify its an overdate.

But I think rzage brings up a huge point, Al Overton (not Parsley) called it a Recut Date or RPD.

Which leads us back to the original question, Is this an overdate?

 

only if it is a 1.

 

Good point, let me rephrase the question. Do you think this is a 1 under the 4 or a 4 that has been repunched?

 

I think recut or repunched 4, no 1.

 

I can't disagree.

But Overton/Parsley think otherwise

 

Aren't the ones of that period more shelf like on the top , this seems to match the 4 .

 

I would say 4/1, as I see no evidence of a crossbar of an underlying 4.

 

Jim , but couldn't the same be said of the flag at the top of the one ?

 

True, but if I didn't know better people than I had written in books about it, I would think that it is neither, maybe the result of the angle/depth of the original date punch ( they did use a gang punch for the date didn't they? ). Anyway, I get no real feel for this one

 

To MY eyes.. it's a 4/1.

When looking at the top "4", the top of the four creates a flat shelf before slanting down to make the left side of the 4. If you look at whatever it is underneath, it has a MUCH shorter shelf at the top. Reminds me much more of a 1 rather than another 4...

 

It's a 4 over 1. On earlier die stages the upper flag of the 1 is plainly seen on the left side of the 4.

Desertgem, no they didn't use a gang punch for the date. Each number was punched in separately.

 

Thank you, I would love to get close up photos similar to the one in the original post.

 

As okbuster said, the date was punched with individual punched, look at the date spreads esp on the 1809.

 

Alan, check out Tom's (Mozin) second example on CoinZip.
http://coinzip.proboards.com/thread/1648/1824-101-r2-24-over

 

Have to login to see the coinzip link

 

This is the coin your referring to enlarged with a red arrow pointing to the 1 ?

 

4/1 it is , thanks for the pic Alan .