Gordian III Coin

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  1. Diomedes

    Diomedes Member

    I bought this coin and i noticed something on the reverse. Instead of it having 3 I it’s has 4. I was just wondering why it has 4 instead
     

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  3. expat

    expat Remember you are unique, just like everyone else Supporter

    TRP is the office of Tribune of the people and it means the 4th renewal. The COS is for the 2nd time of holding the office of consulship.
     
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  4. Diomedes

    Diomedes Member

    Ohh ok, thank you!
     
  5. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Contrary to what you learned in school about "Roman numerals," actual Romans did not use IV for 4, but IIII.
     
  6. expat

    expat Remember you are unique, just like everyone else Supporter

    Also, a legend signifying TR P without numerals would be the first time as Romans did not use a numeral to signify the first time in office. If you would like to bookmark a site explaining the abreviations on Roman Imperial coinage, this one is very good
    https://www.forumancientcoins.com/dougsmith/abb.html
     
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  7. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Well-Known Member

    Well, they did sometimes :

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  8. expat

    expat Remember you are unique, just like everyone else Supporter

    Very scarce. The Romans generally used the additive principle. IV became the standard (subtractive notation) after the fall of the Empire.
    Also, and probably more important to Romans was the fact that IV is the first two letters of IVPITER (Jupiter), the main God, so not really appropriate to use it as a mere number. Names and titles were OK
     
  9. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    In the MA Legionary series, the numeral "IIII" is very scarce if not rare, while "IV" is not scarce at all.
    Marcus Antonius  Leg IIII.jpg
    Marcus Antonius Leg IV.jpg
     
  10. GinoLR

    GinoLR Well-Known Member

    There were no strict rules for Roman numerals.

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    On this gravestone of a centurion who died at the battle of Teutoburg against the Germans, his legion's number is written : LEG. XIIX. But other inscriptions may use the form XVIII like this one :

    rome_pomponius_leg_xviii_mus_thermae.jpg
     
  11. Marsyas Mike

    Marsyas Mike Well-Known Member

    Here's Apollo relaxing with his lyre - a IIII (not IV) and a V. Interesting to see Gordian has a moustache and sideburns on the earlier one (IIII) but clean-shaven on the later (V) example. Maybe his mom made him spiffy up:

    Gordian III - Ant. Apollo IIII and V Feb 2023pic (0).jpg
     
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