A very bitter eBay post

Pcgs customer service plain sucks. And you can send them 12 of the most original problem free coins and guaranteed they'll detail a couple of them. I like their slabs better but they've driven me to start sending more to ngc. I've got a huge amount of coins I need to slab and I'll send the ones pcgs does ok withike original circulated bust coins and old gold to them all the rest especially anything with nice toning is going to ngc

 

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PCGS's "Customer Service" group does NOT grade coins and as such has no control over the graders "opinions".

For that matter, PCGS's Customer Service is simply trying to service thousands of coin collectors that "think" they can grade and as such, get all pissed off when the coins do not get returned as the submitters felt they should.

As for the graders, PCGS has more than just three but at least three need to agree on the grade.

Do they get it wrong? Sure. Grading is subjective and the first three that see the submission, may not like what they see. The second three, who may or may not be the same, may see it differently.

The REAL Problem, is coin collectors "reliance" upon a third party to tell them what is acceptable or not acceptable. Not everybody purchases a grade worthy coin yet that very same coin might just fit the collectors collection quite well.

It would be nice to have every single submission come back the way the submitter intended BUT, if that were the case, then PCGS would not have the top spot in the TPG hierarchy now would they?

I have had coins come back as genuine that upon a resubmission, came back with a grade.

I have had coins graded higher than what I felt they deserved.

I have also has coins, that when returned, were obvious as to why they didn't grade.

The intent behind a 3rd party grading service is NOT intended for the collector but intended for fluidity for the dealer by have unbiased individuals grade the dealers wares.

As a newbie, I have purchased coins from dealers who said one thing while the exact opposite was true. I could really have used a 3rd party opinion during those times. David Hall knew it and PCGS was formed.

Mind you, PCGS had a LOT of resistance from dealers in the beginning but since then, they and other TPG's have become readily acceptable.

Bad experiences can be had with any business but the true judge of the business is if the good far outweighs the bad.

Folks who have never submitted to PCGS have not earned the right to complain.

 

I'm thinking PCGS didn't agree that these coins were errors...

 

Yeah don't know the whole story. I wouldn't pay anyway anywhere near that price.

 

It appears as such but since I do not have the coins in hand, I have no idea whether or not they are actual errors.

I do KNOW that Fred Weinberg is PCGS's error representative and he views a lot of coins for PCGS to validate the errors.

 

Well Fred is "The Man" when it comes to errors.

 

The reality is I can grade coins I've been handling coins since before pcgs was ever founded they've slabbed some pure crap of mine and other peoples they've in my opinion over graded coins I recent sent in a 1851 $1 gold that was cracked out of an au-53 anacs slab I felt the grade was dead accurate I just wanted it in a better slab it came back as au-58 in my opinion well over graded a 55 at best. Yet I send them a 1877-cc quarter out of a au -55 slab with beautiful toning and surfaces I felt if could easily upgrade to 58 it comes back as unc details cleaning that coin is neither cleaned or uncirculated I don't even want to get into the proof trade dollar with great classic album toning they wanted to details as qc I bet ngc will give it a star

 

The idea that TPGs should not be considered authoritative once they have graded a coin is ridiculous. If I'm wrong about that, why has another layer of certification been added to audit them? Dealers and collectors are not sending these coins to be graded for entertainment. They want a trustworthy grade assigned by persons of exceptional skill. Does the buyer have the burden to examine the coin themselves before buying it? Of course. But the graders must do all they can to be dead-on, or they should quit taking the money.

I am not an expert coin grader, but I am a pretty advanced comic book grader, and I can tell you that NGC's comic book grading arm lets some bone-headed flaws pass. That's unacceptable, especially when they claim to employ redundancy. I'm sorry, but some of the things that get overlooked make that claim seem unlikely.

I just can't side with those who want to downplay the importance or authority of a TPG result. Plastic slabs are cheap, if that's all we can expect.

 

I think he simply wasted time and money. Most copper collectors aren't buying a label designation and are smart enough to see what the variety is without a sub-par third opinion at best.

 

The coin on the left is definitely damaged on the rim at 6:00 oclock in the photograph.
The coin on the right appears to have damage on the reverse through the 200.

Whether the seller is po'ed that the coins don't have an error designation or the fact that they are genuined is unknown since the seller simpy isn't clear.

He states that the photo's are the result of the 1st submission with the statement "They came back "graded" as you see."

I'm just smelling rotten eggs here.

 

I was so ripped at pcgs isone of the reasons I took a break from coins totally for awhile their still not my favorite people! I planned on starting a thread toward them called poed and mad about it (title of a great song by Texas hippie coalition by the way) but my rant would've probably got me banned from ct personally I still think pcgs don't know **** about toners and their out to get the small guy just cause I'm not some big time and big name dealer don't mean all my coins I send in are crap. My opinion stands their a bunch of arrogant aholes

 

Stop mincing words and holding back and just tell us how you really feel

 

Ok pcgs sucks the big dead moose!!

 

Come on I know you are restricted to the 1950 language standard but you could have thrown in some great adjectives.

Moldy
Infested
Purulent
Maggoty
Oozing
Fungating
Pus filled
Ulcerated
Draining
Rotting

You get the point.

 

PCGS is a sell out company ever since i saw there slabs that said Apmex on it and stated they were sold on ebay that kinda done it

 

They may be errors, and I believe the description that they are overstruck on reverse brockages may also be correct. However his description that they are from the Davy's collection Lots 104 and 105 is NOT correct. Those lots were 1800 half cents. These two coins DO NOT appear in the Davy's collection. That SERIOUSLY hurts his credibility.

On the left hand coin you can see the remnants of an incuse FO and part of the wreath creating the "damage" at 6:00. On the right hand coin you can see the remains of the bases of an incuse HAL in the area where the right hand wreath stem should be, part of the wreath running through the fraction, and the center dot and N of CENT in the leaf clusters just to the right of the leaf bow. What is disturbing is that I don't see traces of the raised images of the reverse on the devices of the other side.

Really? Then when you send them the same coin again and they give it a different opinion, which opinion was the authoritative one? The current one or their original opinion they THEY are now disagreeing with?