The two volumes of Pridmore's book ONLY talk about the coins issued by East India Company under those three presidencies and then the uniform coinage issued since 1835 till 1947. It doesn't cover any coin issued by Indian Princely states. At least I am not aware of any of his work related to Indian Princely states. Regards Ballabh Garg
Oudh. Ballabh,the Arabic date on the reverse of that Falus from the independent Kingdom of Oudh (ceased to exist in 1856) looks like AH1123.Oudhi coins were usually struck at the Lucknow Mint. Indian Princely States copper coins are far harder to collect than the silver,not only because so few of them turn up in decent order,but because Krause puts some very vague descriptions into the catalogues & fails to add photos for a lot of them. Here's an article about Oudh; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oudh . Aidan.
Well, as you have indicated, that kind of rules it out as being 1806 -37 KM32 then. Being able to read the language certainly helps avoid such pitfalls. Fascinating that it actually has Victoria's name on it. Looks like it is a KM 72 then, but as a consolation it is at least in a bit better condition than the one shown in Krause.... even though one side is struck offcentre. cheers, Ian
Aidan, you are missing the `4' which is to the right of the `3'. The `4' is dark er toned than the rest and a bit worn, but it is very much there and very much a `4'. What you think to be the first `1' is actually part of the scripting. I made the same mistake when first trying to attribute it. took me a long time until I realised I was looking for a coin by the wrong date. The date is AH 1234 right enough.
Ian,you are right.That is the Persian '4' as opposed to the Arabic '4'. Ballabh,Jerome Remick's book does list some Indian Princely States coinage,but although it is years out of date,it is still a very good book to refer to,as there wasn't any such think as a Krause catalogue when Remick's book came out. Aidan.
:bow: I guess he didn't have time to say anything about Indian Princely States coinage then. How unthoughtful of him! Where are those darned cataloguers when you need 'em!
Here's some Jodhpur copper 1/4 annas I really could do with some help with concerning their proper atribution. I struggled with them way back then and sadly the situation hasn't improved. I have taken my best shot at it but any enlightened assistance would be much appreciated........ first..KM91.1 or 2. I don't really know. Nor do I know the date other than 1901 +. The second is (I think) KM131 The next one is possibly KM141 Next is possibly KM142 ...and KM143? finally, thin planchet KM145?
Try marrying that `date' up to anything in KM. The type is definitely a match for the scripting on KM91 (Sardar Singh)....or so I think. Now then, Sardar Singh ruled from 1895 -1911 and according to Krause, this particular type (1/4 anna) didn't exist for Jodhpur prior to 1901. So, whatever date may (or may not) be on the coin, it couldn't have been minted before 1901. For me, attributing these has proven to be somewhat challenging. Ian
This is a tough series to identify and assign a correct KM number. You have some really nice coins specially the one with Edward VIII's name on it. I can take a stab for the images you have posted. 1> The date is off flan. The obverse has title of King Edward VII. So, it's KM91.1 2> You are close for this one. This one has title of Edward VIII. Without Persian '8' written to left of his name. So, Krause has assigned a separate number KM#133 for this. (KM#131 has a Persian '8' written in king's name, right to nagri character 'Ra'). 3> This is minted way off flan and the title of George V is barely visible next to nagri character 'Ra'. So, you have identified this correctly as KM #141 Coin 4, 5 and 6 are correctly identified to there related KM numbers. Thanks for sharing these with us. Regards Ballabh Garg
Many thanks for taking the time to look at these for me. Looks like I didn't do too badly. Coin #2 was the one that really had me tearing my hair out. Strangely enough, I originally had it noted as KM133 but later changed it to 131 for some reason I can't remember. Since my last post i've been looking at four Junagadh coppers I have. They all seem to be the same type but all subtly different. They have me completely stumped due to the poor descriptions in KM and also the fact that I simply can't make any sense of either the scripting or the dates (at least in terms of what the dates are supposed to be). Interestingly, the die alignments are all over the place with these coins too. On the first the flan is slightly oversized and as a consequence has been cupped in the striking. Consequently, it doesn't scan all that brilliantly on a flat bed scanner, producing a fuzzy image reverse. It's probably KM45.something or another. The rest are all more readily scanable and probably all KM45.something....or then again, perhaps not. The last one looks to me like it could be dated VS1966. It's not like me to throw my hands in the air, but at 0:45 hrs I finally surrendered to a puzzle greater than my meagre resources were capable of resolving. Ian
Ian,what Nawab of Junagadh issued these coins? Here's an article about Junagadh; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junagadh . Aidan.
They are milled dokdo's from the time of Rasul Muhammad Khan and minted roughly 1906 - 1910 ...or so I believe.
Ian,I know that the Junagadhi currency system was the same as the Kutchi one.The last Junagadhi coins were a 1 Dokdo issued in VS1985 (1928) & VS1990 (1933) during the reign of Nawab Mahabat Khan III (ruled 1911-48). Nawanagar & Porbandar also issued 1 Dokdo & 1 Kori coins as well. Aidan.
On reverse, the name and title of ruler 'Mahabat Khan' is written in Persian legends. On obverse, the state name, denomination and date is written in 'Gujarati' legends. The top line (from 0:45 till 0:15) the state name is written as "Shree Soruth Salrkar" which means 'his highness, the Saurastra Government'. Saurastra is the region name in which Junagadh city is situated and local people still call that area as 'Sauratstra'. In central circle, the denomination is written "1 Dokdo" and bottom line has date in Vikram Samvat era with Gujarati numerals. On first coin, no date is visible. Second one has VS 1965, third one has VS 1966 and fourth one has VS 1964. I am away from my reference books so can't tell you much about the Krause KM# for them. And am sure you will find it out Regards Ballabh Garg
Many thanks indeed for the lesson. It is good to learn something new. I'm currently away from my coins and references but i think you probably have given me sufficient data to do the attribution with. :bow: cheers, Ian
Here's a few more coppers from different states. Bahawalpur 1940 1/4 anna Gwalior 1917 1/4 anna Gwalior 1929 1/4 anna Indore 1886 1/4 anna Indore 1888 1/2 anna Jaipur 1944 1 anna
Ian,the Bahawalpuri & Jaipuri coins very seldom turn up.Bahawalpur is now part of Pakistan.The 1/4 Anna & its little brother,the 1/2 Pice are also dated AH1359 in addition to 1940.Bahawalpur was one of 3 places in the British Commonwealth that used a Toughra on its coins.The others were Hyderabad,& Pakistan. I do have the Bahawalpuri 1/4 Anna & 1/2 Pice coins,plus a Jaipuri 1944 1 Anna as well. Aidan.
......speaking of toughra's + Hyderabad......here's two coppers that I have: Hyderabad - 1907 2Pai (AH1325 year 41) Hyderabad - 1943 I anna (AH1363)
