Zeus (as in Dr. Zeus)

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  1. JBGood

    JBGood Collector of coinage Supporter

    Castulo (Linares) Jaen, 180 B.C., 12,85 g. 27 mm
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    John Anthony tagged this the Dr. Zeus coin. Tooled no doubt, patina added perhaps? Whats real about this coin besides the money I paid for it?
     
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  3. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Very cool, JBG ... I love these Castulo examples (on my wish-list => way up on top!!)

    Super-sweet eye appeal (congrats)
     
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  4. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    A very nice example compared to my example that saw alot of action.

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  5. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Not Zeus, lol. Suess. The funky sphynx reminds me of animals in Dr. Seuss books.

    Anyway, maybe I'm paranoid, but I see ruts around the legs and body, and it looks suspiciously like the coin was cleaned, tooled, and given an artificial desert patina.

    If it's any consolation, I bought a coin from the same dealer that I have the same suspicions about. I decided to keep it because I have no doubt it's authentic, and if it has been "improved," it was done subtly enough not to look distracting.

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  6. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    man, that's a bit of a downer
     
  7. JBGood

    JBGood Collector of coinage Supporter

    The more I look at it the more it looks like a stencil.
     
  8. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    What do you mean?
     
  9. JBGood

    JBGood Collector of coinage Supporter

    I'm going with "enhanced".
     
  10. JBGood

    JBGood Collector of coinage Supporter

    The face looks painted on.
     
  11. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    I really hope I'm wrong about both of our coins. I want to be wrong. I'd like it very much if some sage of numismatics would respond to this thread and tell me I'm completely and utterly wrong.
     
  12. JBGood

    JBGood Collector of coinage Supporter

    I think they are very nice people and do not want to hurt our feelings.
     
  13. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    I don't think "All"the details have been re-engraved. The coin has obviously been worked on but there is a fine line between cleaning, conserving and tooling. Assuming the coin was from a reputable dealer I might be inclined to accept this amount of tooling and I don't like tooling. I really do think the coin was pretty good to begin with and a valiant effort was made to "improve" it.
     
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  14. JBGood

    JBGood Collector of coinage Supporter

    I can live with that! Thank you sir.
     
  15. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    I agree with Anoob, but I'm not the sage you're looking for. But while we wait, here is one of mine:
    IBERIAN Castulo 3.jpg
    IBERIAN AE As
    OBVERSE: Diademed male head right.
    REVERSE: Sphinx standing right, raising forepaw; star above paw, letter below Struck at Castulo Early 2d century BC
    33mm, 25.3g
    CNH pg. 332, 9; Burgos 697
     
  16. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    Also not a sage here (not even a Dr.), but nothing screams overt tooling to me about the coin.

    There are a variety of different engraving styles for this type.

    Here's one that I find very similar to yours:
    http://cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=218446

    And here's mine:
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  17. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Hmm...the CNG coin has the same gutters around the legs. I wonder if it was something about the engraving style, or if the CNG coin was also enhanced.
     
  18. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    I really want one of these...
     
  19. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    They do look somewhat like gutters, but I wonder if it may be a combination of lighting in the photographs and how the dirt was cleaned around the devices that gives that impression.
     
  20. JBGood

    JBGood Collector of coinage Supporter

    The CNG coin has many similarities to my coin. With each post I get more comfortable with the authenticity (and probable enhancement) of my coin. Anoob's "fine line between cleaning, conserving and tooling" is a useful thought nugget for me.

    I love my Dr. Zeus/Suess coin maybe now more than before.

    I will impress my ancients club when I drop the "fine line" on them. It will be a great discussion as it has been here. I continue to be impressed with the high quality of thought so freely given in this forum.
     
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