1907 Indian, Cleaned or not?

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Wardo, Oct 7, 2014.

  1. Wardo

    Wardo Member

    Just picked this up from an auction. It went cheap, but after receiving it, I am a bit concerned. It's a beautiful color, with a fair bit of shine. My concern is that it shouldn't be. It's only a partial (almost full) liberty, but the rest of the coin has little to know wear. Sharp details on about everything. The fact that it isn't full liberty leads me to believe it can't have this finish without cleaning... Any opinions?

    Pictures are the best I can get without pulling it out of the 2x2. I can do that if needbe. Screenshot_22.jpg Screenshot_22.jpg Screenshot_1.jpg
     
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  3. Seattlite86

    Seattlite86 Outspoken Member

    It's too hard to tell with the photos, the issue is the lighting, not whether you pull it from the 2x2. If you aren't already, you should use a tripod to assist with camera stability. Best to use a light source (or better yet, two) that you can move around until the camera gets the best shot.

    To help the best I can without the detailed photo, can you read the entire Liberty? If not, it's most likely been cleaned.
     
  4. Wardo

    Wardo Member

    Just pulled it out of the 2x2... 2 minutes I'll upload clearer pictures.
     
  5. Wardo

    Wardo Member

    *sigh* It's not gonna work. The only SLR camera I have requires film. I have a stand that I take stuff with my phone, but this actually comes up looking like an average brown indian on the phone regardless of of light source. It looks nothing like it does in person.
     
  6. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    It should look an average brown color. If not it's been messed with.
     
  7. Wardo

    Wardo Member

    Yeah. Just took about another 10 shots. They all come up looking dull brown. In person it's got about the shine of about a 2012 lightly circulated penny, but it's a deep reddish brown. The face has a bit less shine than the rest and really seems to be the only spot worn. I need to get a DSLR...
     
  8. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    Are you sure it's an 1907?
     
  9. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    No... you don't need a DSLR in order to take an acceptable coin image. A camera is a tool, and as with any tool, is only as useful as the person using it. If you take the time to learn your present camera, and throw a little more light upon the coin, the results will could be night and day.

    With that said, the coin does appear to have an unnatural sheen, at least in the iffy photos.
     
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  10. RabidRick

    RabidRick Sardonic Devil's Advocate

    Looks too worn for the color from what I can see >.<
     
  11. Wardo

    Wardo Member

    It's an '06 sorry.
     
  12. Wardo

    Wardo Member

    Took about 40 photos. These were the only 6 that came out halfway decent. Screenshot_1.jpg Screenshot_2.jpg Screenshot_2.jpg Screenshot_3.jpg Screenshot_4.jpg Screenshot_5.jpg Screenshot_6.jpg
     
  13. RabidRick

    RabidRick Sardonic Devil's Advocate

    I still say poished, at least.
     
  14. Wardo

    Wardo Member

    The coin does look more red in person. The cell phone only picks up the brown on any setting.
     
  15. Wardo

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  16. Wardo

    Wardo Member

    Might help as a reference. The 06 in question is top left.
     
  17. RabidRick

    RabidRick Sardonic Devil's Advocate

    Copper almost never stays red, even in UNC.

    That's why red's are in demand but they will tone eventually.

    Just look at a handful of change and tell me how many red worn pennies you see :p
     
  18. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    While still less than ideal (an improvement is an improvement though), the coin most certainly looks to have been polished. Value-wise you're looking at well under a buck as it is now non-collectible beyond as a novelty.
     
  19. Wardo

    Wardo Member

    Alright, well thanks for the input. I am well aware of what it's worth. Just looking for someone to confirm my suspicions. I got the thing off of Listia for the equivalent of about 2 bucks, so it's no great loss. Could barely even see the coin in the auction picture... figured I'd take a gamble. Anyway. Thanks and happy hunting.
     
  20. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    Others do read these threads, so no harm (or offense) in mentioning value.

    Better luck next time.
     
  21. spirityoda

    spirityoda Coin Junky

    cleaned to its death. :blackalien:
     
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