Help with a 64 Kennedy Grade......

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Ethan, Oct 5, 2014.

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What is your guess on this one?

Poll closed Oct 12, 2014.
  1. PR65 DCAM

    14.3%
  2. PR66 DCAM

    21.4%
  3. PR67 DCAM

    21.4%
  4. PR68 DCAM

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  5. Only CAM

    7.1%
  6. Grade Lower than PR65

    35.7%
  1. Ethan

    Ethan Collector of Kennedy's

    Well I recently bought something, I either lost big time or got a nice coin for a decent price. I do not have it in hand yet but I took a chance.

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    Here is what I think, I think it is DCAM for sure but the grade is where I run into issues. It is slabbed in a 2nd Tier slab. Either the pictures were overly fantastic or it truly is a nice coin. I know the grade on the slab is incorrect and by the history of the company that slabbed it, the guess is it was marked 2 grades high. So in that regard, I think it is PR66/67. From the pictures, I can see a few marked that I thought were hairlines, but in the 2nd picture no so much. I see only the one milk spot on the reverse. I will watch this and then post the actual slab and let's see what the guesses are. When I get it in hand I will update it.
     
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  3. phankins11

    phankins11 Well-Known Member

    JMHO, but either the pics/lighting are really bad, or the fields are too disturbed for a PF66 or 67....I see spotting or chatter all over the coin.
     
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  4. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    I see hairlines from polishing.

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  5. 19Lyds

    19Lyds Member of the United States of Confusion

    The reverse might be too cloudy for a DCAM designation. Especially around AMERICA. There appear to be some slight spot of the obverse but the slab lens itself is really gumming up the look of the coin.

    Hopefully, you did not pay too much because if it was what the seller was saying it was, then it should have been in a top tier slab. Without question.
     
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  6. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    not attractive, unless your pictures suck, like mine usually do
     
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  7. Ethan

    Ethan Collector of Kennedy's

    I just don't know yet till it is in hand. I am hoping the slab is the issue and not the coin.
     
  8. Aidan_()

    Aidan_() Numismatic Contributor

    Who slabbed the coin?
     
  9. Ethan

    Ethan Collector of Kennedy's

    PCI
     
  10. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank


    It could go either way, good or bad
     
  11. Ethan

    Ethan Collector of Kennedy's

    Well here is the slab 1964 Silver Proof Kennedy Half Dollar Deep Cameo (4).JPG 1964 Silver Proof Kennedy Half Dollar Deep Cameo(1).JPG
     
  12. geekpryde

    geekpryde Husband and Father Moderator

    Strong cameo on obverse, little less so on the reverse. I think the pics are decent, not amazing, not horrible. I feel the same way about the coin.
     
  13. 19Lyds

    19Lyds Member of the United States of Confusion

    What did you pay?
     
  14. Ethan

    Ethan Collector of Kennedy's

    I do not want to say until I see it in hand...over $100
     
  15. statequarterguy

    statequarterguy Love Pucks

    It will be interest to see it in hand. From the pics, I can't see DCAM, as it appears the CAM is fading (dark areas) from several areas of Kennedy's face & neck.
     
  16. Ethan

    Ethan Collector of Kennedy's

    Either it was one heck of a picture and its junk or it is what I see, a DCAM. The frost looks spectacular. Then again it is all moot until I see it in hand.
     
  17. Kirkuleez

    Kirkuleez 80 proof

    I'd feel comfortable calling it a PR-66 UCAM. I think that the obverse scratches are on the slab, but the reverse has a few questions.
     
  18. thetracer

    thetracer Active Member

    I got one that was in a 2x2 that had PR69DCAM written on it. Online the pix were not that great, but judge for yourself A006 - 20140511_224103.jpg A005 - 20140511_224043.jpg
     
  19. Ethan

    Ethan Collector of Kennedy's

    Well the verdict is in as it has arrived. First impressions are this is one nice coin. I have compared it with my other 64's and this one is definitely in the top 2 in Cameo if not the best. I can not take photo's worth a crap that show it but I will post what I have. The obverse is for sure DCAM with the reverse being 90% chance of being DCAM. The reason I know this is with a quick glance to my NGC and PCGS DCAM Kennedy's, this one makes the muster so to speak. This would be both obverse and reverse. Now, that being said, I have a PR69 1969 DCAM that is better, but I have PR68 1968 & 1970's DCAM's that are not as good as this 1964. So I will try and show just what it is that I have. Grade wise, I am for sure it is at the very least PR66. It has hairlines but they can only be seen at higher magnification etc. The PCI slab is scratched to heck which is a good thing. That had me worried for sure but with the loop, most of what you saw on the Bay pictures were the slab and not the coin. So that gives me confidence in that I have a very good shot at PR67 and a slight shot at PR68. Then again it is PCI but comparing it offhand to my other NGC and PCGS slabbed Kennedy's, I feel good about my purchase.

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    This doesn't show it well, but it is the best I can do with what skills I have with a camera.

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    These pictures suck I know so I tried to do something else to show what I mean. Using my camera and pics one can compare to a known DCAM. Same shot, same angle....
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    So on to the grade, well with hair lines on this at high magnification etc, I still think it is pretty darn nice. Close up, you can tell most of the 'marks' are on the slab and not the coin.
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    But the hairlines are there...

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    And sadly so is a single milk spot. I am not sure how one will affect the grade but it is not an eyesore for sure. At least compared to others I have seen.

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    And another little bonus is it that it is also an 'Accented Hair's Little Brother' (Type 2 Obverse and Type 1 Reverse. That was a nice little bonus.

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    So I am pleased with what I got. I paid $132 for it and it was a gamble but I think I did ok. I think I have a PR67 DCAM Kennedy. If so I did well, if it goes PR66 then I still did ok. The fact that it is an Accented Hair's Little Brother might also add some respectability for it.

    It is the 2nd PCI coin I have and on both of these I think they did a fair job. The other was an MS62 1964 half and I actually thought that was an MS63.
     
  20. phankins11

    phankins11 Well-Known Member

    That looks way better than the old pic, nice!
     
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