Some observations from the coin show

I would be inclined to think that this topic isn't about Doug , but, if you think otherwise, please continue, and so will I. EDITED.

We were discussing behavior. Your position on this forum and Doug's resume did not come up, until now. Stop throwing your weight around where it is irrelevant.

 

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Your approach towards members and in topics is just the kind of "unprofessional" that we are discussing here. Defending Doug by use of secret resume, while sidetracking the topic, quality stuff from a wannabe moderator.

This amount of pettiness, from an irrelevant authority figure that obviously has a lot more work to do on this forum, is truly laughable. Here, show @Peter T Davis all the other places where you missed the word "butt", while my post gets edited because you are just as unprofessional as the dealer behavior we are discussing here. Hope you feel important, I don't mind, as long as your actions are brought to light.

Please see all the other posts that use the word "butt", over 10 pages of them are available through search...

 

Gee , trying to make me feel bad You know the words that will get the interaction you seem to wish so you can claim the victim, but please don't use them.

 

Look I honestly have a significant amount of respect for doug. He has a strong wealth of knowledge about coins. But my respect for doug is based on what he knows and posts.

However I'm not going to let a flawed statement unchallenged regardless of who says it. And if our discussion gets heated so be it as long as the rules of the forum are followed. We are all grownups here and can have a strong difference of opinion and have fun on the next thread.

There is no way I'm going to be silent when this childish behavior of intentionally insulting customers is being defended or worse praised. I know what the word professional means and I know how someone has to behave to earn that title.

Not a single coin buying non dealer has said " wow that is totally understandable and acceptable behavior".

As for the heavy hand I always thought doug was a big boy and able to handle himself.

And your documentation of how often your stricken word is used tells quite the story.

Bottom line- a professional does not try to offend anyone for any reason. I'm still waiting for another example where your boss claps you on the shoulder and says "great job blowing off that sale. We don't need his money when he offends us by negotiating like that.".

So gem go ahead and not pick my posts all you want a true professional doesn't take his ball and go home when his feelings are hurt. There is no picking apart that simple fact.

The fact we are even having this absurd debate is exactly what the other anti dealer posts were trying to get to when us customers talk about dealer attitude. People acting like jerks on purpose because the customer violated their "best price" and hurt their little feelings. You can not act like this in America anymore when you are a salesman selling any product. It won't be tolerated. No worries though. I'll just keep buying on the web and dealers who know how to properly conduct themselves as professionals will get all my profits. So don't worry condor and dandis, you will never have to suffer my money to profit with your self declared non professional attitude.

 

You are telling me the informal word "butt", short for buttocks is not to be used on CT? You should glance at a dictionary before you moderate. Your request is falling on deaf ears, as I do not recognize your pretend authority in any way, shape or form. If you really want me to stop typing the word "butt", you better get someone with some pull on this site, to address me and this pretend issue you created (not the first time you've let your imagination go wild, from my experience).

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/american_english-thesaurus/buttocks

 

Go censure yourself. Literally.



Then go censure doug. He has two pages of butts.



Or just be a man here and admit you were wrong and admit you were heavy handed in your edit because you had nothing else you could be right about.

 

I think this post summed it up best...



Some observations from the coin show

Any further discussion in this topic will most likely only lead to another off-topic defense strategy of GDJMSP, for reasons unknown. I didn't know he needed defending or excuses made on his behalf, just to justify his view in this thread. There are many participants that disagree with what he is justifying and sticking up for. You are not getting an answer to a simple question. Enough said?

 

Where did I say that ? Of course I did not. You just needed something to start your post. I have never removed that word, not with you or any other. If you think your bluster has an effect , think again. We both know why you have an issue and it isn't over this thread. It is a pretend issue and you made it.


Vic, I was not defending Doug, he needs no one to do it , as he can as he wishes. I was saying not to make a premature judgment on anyone's true profession personality ( including Doug or others mentioned ) unless you know them for a long time. Sorry you took it as offense.

And as far as the cuts from previous forum threads, as I said , the word has not been censured by myself, and I have not seen it censored by any other mod.

And for anyone, if you have problems with me or any other authority, contact Peter.

 

So I'm confused. You said

So what exactly were you editing? Pimple? The only word possibly offensive was butt. So if not the "butt" seriously what exactly were you editing then? Please clarify this so your crediablity doesn't take the hit it sure seems like it has taken. Is a "pimple" ok and a "butt" ok but not a "pimple on a butt"?

 

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I don't need to know him at all if he said that insulting someone on purpose is professional and acceptable behavior expected from any salesman. And again please note no one here has yet given me my example meaning it is not acceptable behavior from a professional, or even any other salesman selling any other product. I don't need to know doug to judge him he has given me all the proof I need written right here.

This grows tiresome. Feel free to lock this bad boy down any time you want

 

I think @Vegas Vic caught you on a lie. Tisk tisk, petty little man. I know what you deleted, you know what you deleted and Vic also knows. Where is your integrity. You did say it. Don't make this about any of your previous pettiness. Have a bit of class, when you get caught picking on me for the word "butt". If you had any, you should probably get a refund on your netiquette training, especially as a moderator. As a moderator, I expect you to pass this on to @Peter T Davis to mediate. There is no need for you to voice your opinion here any further, as it is skewed, malicious and unprofessional. No inquiry needed, if you know how to tell the truth.

Thank you for paying attention. That is exactly the text he edited and claimed it is a language violation, out of sheer spite. I wish @Peter T Davis would also be as alert as you in this matter. This power hungry individual has a history of throwing his weight around, overreacting, no sense of humor and now we can safely add liar to his CT resume.

Gladly, I'm sure he is now aware. You are not an kind of authority figure. Your petty actions and lies, demonstrate that clearly. Throwing your weight around over the word "butt", deleting text with the word "butt", then lying though your teeth...

@Peter T Davis, please look into this, as there appears to be sufficient evidence of ill will on the part of one of your moderators.

 

I'm going to call this match before the thread is locked.
Winners are Torontokuba, Vegas Vic, and Charlie123.

 

TKO by Doug......

 

I think that both views have been aired pretty well, wether the words what is your best price is a shortcut to the best price. Now to a relative newcomer to the hobby, the rub is this;

I prepared for the show, I looked up cdn, numismedia, and redbook prices before the show, I am looking for an Isabella quarter dollar, greysheet has an au58 listed as 375, the redbook has it listed at 450 and numismedia has it listed as 438 in that grade.

I look around and find one raw that is in a flip with no price written, I ask what is your best price on this au58 isabella, the dealer looks at the coin and says that is an ms61 and I want 500, I tell the dealer I see some luster breaks on the coin the dealer narrows his eyes, puts the coin back in the case and says, now it is an ms-63 for you.

I thank the dealer for his time and keep looking,

 

Let's just agree to disagree. You think it is ok and professional for a coin dealer to take offense to your behavior and then intentionally insult you. You have made this point very clear. I get it. But can you tell me why you think it is ok for a coin salesman to act this way in America when no other salesman can? We are not going to see eye to eye on this issue. I'm not trying to convince you of anything.

So here is my sincere and honest question. How would you react if your walmart produce manager "took offense" to your question or negotiation and raised the price just for you but not the others in the store. Could you imagine a would where this could even happen? How about that car dealer? Would you honestly be ok with the salesman raising his price just for you since your negotiation offend him? Buying a car is well known for tough negotiation. Everyone knows it is going to be a battle. Would you honestly just look at the guy and say "I'm sorry I've offended you" or would you honestly just go talk to the manager?

Now regardless of what you Doug would do or say I'm pretty sure that no one here would say to themselves " gee I guess I need to drive to another supermarket because I've clearly offended the produce manager and it is totally reasonable for me to go drive somewhere else to get me fruit".

So what I really want to know Doug is why you personally believe that it is ok for a coin salesman to act this way if you would not tolerate or accept this behavior from a fruit or car salesman. Please sincerely just explain what makes a coin dealer in your mind so different then the other that one salesman one can act in a way that gets the other two fired. And to head off the argument that the two others work for a cooperation we could always pretend our coin dealer works for heritage or dlrc.

Honestly Doug I'm not trying to convince you of anything I just want to know in your mind what is it about a coin dealer that makes you tell me that a behavior that you personally would not tolerate from the walmart fruit salesman is ok for a coin salesman to do? Fruit is also subjective, one apple is not really the exact same as any other apple.

So don't tell me you are ok with the coin dealer intentionally insulting the customer we all understand what you are saying honestly I just want to know why one salesman gets to insult his customers and the others don't. Just tell me why?

 

Know that you are in a minority position here. There are plenty of dealers on CT that have not posted to back your minority belief. Because they also counter "this is my best offer", or they know they will lose business if they admit to this terribly childish, unprofessional conduct.

Your closing summation is what I would expect from someone who can't win an argument with facts, they have to resort to put downs. I really thought you were better than that.

 

Most salesmen work for the company and have to take it from customers.
The coin dealer owns his inventory and is his/her own boss and can do as he pleases. It's simple.

The Rolling Stones get $500,000 per show. The schedule agent at the Super Dome calls the Stones manager and says is $500,000 the best you can do? The Stones manager says yes, that's what we get per show and we're booked. The guy at the Super Dome says the best I can do is $100,000.

Do the Stones:
1. Take the $100,000
2. Tell the Super Dome to kiss their grits.