"Real" Henning or fake?

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Dougmeister, Oct 1, 2014.

  1. Dougmeister

    Dougmeister Well-Known Member

    No "loop" in the "R", but no mintmark either. I'm not very good at spotting the other tell-tale signs (casting bubbles, "weak" strike, etc.)

    (I *think* I see a bubble between "GOD" and "WE"...)

    It weighs on the heavy side of 5.0 grams (occasionally flickers to 5.1 but never stays there).

    Edit: can anyone tell me why CoinTalk is rotating my pictures 90 degrees to the right...?
     

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  3. Endeavor

    Endeavor Well-Known Member

    It is to my understanding that all 1944 Henning nickels have the "looped R". Henning nickels normally weigh 5.2 grams (vs 5.0 grams for real nickels), but wear could make the weight negligible. Another possibility is that it's an undiscovered counterfeit -- although unlikely. My guess is it's real and the mintmark was removed.
     
  4. Dougmeister

    Dougmeister Well-Known Member

    If the mintmark was removed, would a closer picture show signs of tampering?
     
  5. Endeavor

    Endeavor Well-Known Member

    It may. It's certainly possible that someone removed it trying to pass it off as a Henning nickel. Not sure if someone would try that since the looped R is non-existent, but who knows. I imagine someone who is a Henning expert could answer your question with certainty. Hopefully there's one on this forum.
     
  6. 19Lyds

    19Lyds Member of the United States of Confusion

    Fake of a Fake??

    Is this weird or what??
     
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  7. JPeace$

    JPeace$ Coinaholic

    That's exactly what I was thinking...
     
  8. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank


    very funny thought
     
  9. Dougmeister

    Dougmeister Well-Known Member

    Here are some closeups. Sorry for the plethora of attachments; wasn't sure exactly where to photograph and my setup only covers a small area.

    What do you all think?
     

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  10. scottishmoney

    scottishmoney Buh bye

    There are other 1944 dated die struck counterfeits - they may or may not be Henning nickels. They are fewer in number than the Henning nickels. The Henning nickels are well known because of the sheer number said to have been made - approximately 200,000 of them. But during that era from early in the 20th century on up into the 1950s there were other lesser known illicit mintings of even small denomination coins. Incredibly even cents were counterfeited, but not so much after WWI, but nickels were somewhat popular because unlike silver coinage they didn't get quite as much scrutiny and in the case of the Buffalo nickels they could be artificially worn down to make them much more passable as an "authentic" coin.
     
  11. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Not correct Henning had several different rev dies and only one had the "looped R". 1944 Hennings come with and without the looped R. The looped R is more common I believe.

    I'd say chances are good that you have a Henning and not an altered coin.
     
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  12. Endeavor

    Endeavor Well-Known Member

    If this is true, then I was misinformed. Again, I would consult with an expert in Henning nickels (if there is such a thing). Do TPG's authenticate them?
     
  13. 19Lyds

    19Lyds Member of the United States of Confusion

    Incredible.

    On one hand, Dan Carr gets crucified.

    On the other hand, folks are actually worried that the fake they bought might be a fake of a fake and multiple posters offer specific die characteristics of the subject "fake" to determine that the "fake" isn't a "fake".

    This is really all faked!

    Up!
     
  14. scottishmoney

    scottishmoney Buh bye

    Yuh, it is all pretty faked up if you ask me. Like faked up beyond all recognition.
     
  15. xGAJx

    xGAJx Happy

    Thanks! I did not know about this!
     
  16. xGAJx

    xGAJx Happy

    Lol.... Who knew?
     
  17. Endeavor

    Endeavor Well-Known Member

    It's not really clear whether Doug is actually "worried" about the coin being a fake of a fake. For all we know he may believe Henning produced coins are unethical - just like Daniel Carr produced coins. :D
     
  18. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    ICG will slab them, but I don't know if they will "authenticate" them.

    As for an expert on the Hennings, there is one on one of the forums, I don't know if he is on this one though. I believe his handle is Pyrob.
     
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