Thoughts in this 1942/1 Mercury Dime?

good luck!

 

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Here's the sellers close ups.

 

Nope bad coin

 

Strike out; send it back.

 

That 9 is beyond fake....IMO bad coin, you should return it immediately.

 

There's definitely a 'bad' coin that'll be going back. I don't know what the best course of action is, right at this moment.....

Do you tell the seller it's coming back (I'd use the 'it's apparent from the requested set of images that the coin is 'bad' and is coming back, something like that)....OR, do you just say nothing, let seller relax about it, then file that claim poste haste when received...or.... I'm not sure what you should do right now, if ANYTHING... do you bring it up to him, let him know it's not authentic (the overdate, at least...though I'm in the camp that thinks the whole 'coin' is bad), which might get the seller all 'clenched up in the tight spot'...a tough spot, but in the end, I see it working out in favor of you....

BUT........

.....if you HAVEN'T yet paid, just do what 40_MILLA_KOKKINA would do, and JUST NOT PAY THE GUY!! LOL

This is all based upon the different definitions of 'just picked this up'.

 

I hadn't paid them yet as I was waiting for the seller to send me an invoice.

After I posted the pictures on here and it was confirmed a fake, I told the seller it was a fake coin and that I wanted to cancel the order. The seller then sent me a reminder invoice for the coins.... looks like this will be on eBay's resolution center before too long.

 

Good thing you haven't paid yet. If eBAy wants evidence you can point them to this thread...

 

I'd much rather take an NPB from this guy, if he's now sending you a reminder! You mentioned fake, he sends you a reminder? This guy knows he has a fake. Let ebay deal with it, and as has been pointed out, refer to this thread. Again, at the worst, it's a NPB against you. I'd rather that than have a fake 1942/1 Merc and having a hard time getting my $$ back. Send the SELLER a reminder that the images he sent to you, NOT the listing image, revealed the 'coin' to be fake.

BUT, and it can't be stressed enough, ASK first, and THEN bid. Remember, a bid is SUPPOSED to be a binding contract, and you don't want this to happen at all, let alone very often. Don't get into the company of 40_MILA_KOKKINA....the rate HE'S going, ebay will can his butt. He just cancels winning bids 'willy nilly'. If a coin and the price seem too good to be true, it usually is. Would it be too much to ask for a link to the listing???

 

No offense, but isn't it often best practice to question the coin before purchasing/bidding? It is important to recognize key features of coins to realize when they don't quite match up with an authentic example. Otherwise you end up going through the hassle of canceling the order or having to ship the coin back if they already mailed it to you.

 

It is a lesson that everyone has to learn. For some it is more expensive than for others.

 

auction link


http://www.ebay.com/itm/MERCURY-DIM...Ywxs%2FJgJQqoc3tCoD2c%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc

 

as you can see in the listing, the photo is super small. I do most of my ebaying on my phone, so it was even harder to actually see the date very well. I don't own and haven't owned a 42/1 philly, so I didn't even notice the date was wrong. The seller had his feedback showing feedback for other World Coins, so I thought it was legit.

It wasn't a buy it now, it was an open bid starting at $350, after I was the only bidder, that's when something said the coin might not be real.

Even if I had paid and it turned out to be counterfeit, I'm sure PayPal would have given my $ back... but luckily I hadn't paid yet....

CT just saved me some $$ and time on the return.... Glad to be a member here.

 

Wow, I see red flags everywhere I look in that listing. Seller hasn't sold ANYTHING in over a year, and only 3 sales at that, for Kopeks. Seller feedback.....private auction, always should make you think twice....'moonshot' images, trying to hide something....IMO, that listing SCREAMS 'pssst, hey, newbie, c'mere, have I got a deal for YOU!'

I can guarantee you this seller knew he was selling a fake...again, this is why you got a reminder to pay the invoice after making the seller aware the coin is a fake.

 

When it comes to a key date, or an elusive, popular, expensive variety, you HAVE to know what you are looking for/at before you get ready to plop your hard earned money down. If that coin were authentic, you would never have gotten it for the price you paid, or were supposed to pay, or almost got swindled out of.

If a seller can't at least take an image of the whole obverse/reverse, and show the coin well, there's a reason a seller won't put up an image that is clear. The smaller the image, the quicker you should run.

Not to mention, it was a 7 day listing, and you were the ONLY bidder...

 

"I don't always buy rare high-grade US overdates, but when I do, I buy from sellers in Estonia."

I often recommend going through with purchases like this, then using Buyer Protection to get a refund; they generally don't require you to return counterfeits, so you get your money back, you prevent the seller from passing the coin to someone else, and you get an example for your own "black book". With the ongoing changes at eBay, though, I'm not sure how long that protection will remain reliable, and it's getting to the point where I'd be uneasy tying up hundreds of bucks in a known fake.

If I were you, I'd call eBay about this. Their phone reps can often clear things up more quickly and directly than the online dispute process. Be sure to emphasize that the picture clearly doesn't show an authentic coin, and that you've confirmed this with several numismatic experts.

If you can't get the seller or eBay to cancel the auction, I'm sort of torn between taking the NPB hit and buying-then-contesting the coin. I'd probably go with the latter course, but as I said above, I'm growing less sanguine about that approach.

 

I reported a couple of obvious fakes to good old ebay and they allowed them to sell anyway. Seems as if their policy has changed regarding this stuff of late-used to be that they'd remove fakes in most cases. Guess they don't care anymore. The unfortunate buyer of one of the bad coins (a Chinese fake Buffalo 5c) has actually left positive FB saying what a nice coin it is.

Good luck with your coin.

 

There was a time that a very high % of reported fakes were removed by ebay in a very timely manner (seems that every one I reported was removed within 24 hours, though I know I wasn't the only one to report them). However, since ebay disbanded their 'coin watchdog group', very, very few are getting removed. It's the wild west now, so you had better have done your homework, or you'll find yourself in that % of buyers who have been duped, which grows larger every day. The scary part is, positive feedback is being left for these fakes, and that is that, no recourse for the poor sucker, er, buyer.

 

I used to report many fakes to ebay-I was one of a group whose reports were called "Enhanced" reporting (ebay's term.) As Numismania says-they were almost always promptly removed. Then they quit removing them, I quit reporting them, and my "enhanced" status was revoked. Ebay is a place now, more than ever except in the early days, where it's "buyer beware."

 

coinquest, I, in no way tried to be an 'ebay cop', but hell, there were SO many, I'd report a handful, or more, a day. I remember getting sooo many messages from Judith in regard to items getting shut down, I got more messages from her than from my parents while I was at college! lol

coinquest, might you have any info on what became of Judith? I recall that when she realized her job was getting axed, the messages she sent out, well, she wasn't very complimentary on just how ebay would deal with these reports, once her job and the coin watchdog group (what was it, the CCCW(?)) was disbanded. Flat out told me (us) the special coin reporting form could still be used, but it would wind up in hyperspace forever....none of those reports would be looked at. I don't know if she was more upset about her job, or the fact that ebay wouldn't be paying attention to reports that actually gave enough information to pretty much make it a no-brainer that the item reported SHOULD be pulled down.

My reports were always very descriptive, contained links (if was necessary in helping them make their decision...always very complete). Judith was good, she seemed friendly, and she genuinely seemed to care about helping to ensure that people didn't get taken or ripped off, as WAY too many have...it's scary to think of all the money spent on garbage fakes...yet the buyer thought enough to keep it (thinking they got something for nothing), and actually left positive feedback. BUT, any idea what became of her??