NEWPs: Celt & Roman Republic

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Zohar444, Sep 2, 2014.

  1. Zohar444

    Zohar444 Member

    Purchased/traded for these two. The first one is a stunner which seems to be choice for the type. I don't know much about these Celtic designs, however as a previous collector of satirical medals, the "look and feel" resembles satiricals - I saw reference to this type as "The Boxer" given the broken nose which was not there in earlier emissions. The second is simply a nice Roman Republic piece which struck me, primarily for the reverse design - why not designated as fine style, not sure.

    Celts, Middle Danube Area. Imitation of Audoleon. Pannonia (Burgenland). Ca. 2nd CENTURY BC. AR Tetradrachm. 23mm, 12.50gr. Kroisbach mit Reiterstumpf type. Obv: Diademed head right of male with heavy brows and prominent protrusion on bridge of nose. Rev : Diademed head and torso left of rider on prancing horse; above right, eye-shaped device; twisted exergual line terminating in torques. Lanz 743–5; OTA 469; CCCBM I 152-4; KMW 1391. NGC Ch AU* 5/5, 5/5, Fine Style.

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    Roman Republic. C Servilius ca. 136 BC. AR Denarius. 20mm, 3.9gr. Obv. Helmeted head of ROMA right, behind, star and wreath; below, ROMA. Rev. The Dioscuri riding apart; in ex. C. SERVEILI. M.F. RRC 239/1; BMCRR Italy 540; B. Servilia 1; Sydenham 525; Catalli 2001, 312. A beautiful specimen with iridescent highlights. NGC Ch. AU, Strike 5/5, Surface 4/5.

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]
     
    zumbly, randygeki, Bing and 7 others like this.
  2. Avatar

    Guest User Guest



    to hide this ad.
  3. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Atta-mang, Zohar => you keep keep bringin' bringin' winner, after winner, after winner, after ...


    You're apparently "awesome" (congrats => I'm a huge fan!!)

    Ummm, I have a lousy example of C Servilius ... do ya wanna see it?



    c serv a.jpg c serv b.jpg


    ... again, that's an absolutely cool-cool-cool example (yummmy ... congrats)
     
    zumbly, Gil-galad and vlaha like this.
  4. vlaha

    vlaha Respect. The. Hat.

    Truly amazing. I admire your taste my friend. :)
     
  5. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Fabulous stuff as always, Zohar. Congratulations. The Pannonians certainly had some original style.
     
  6. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    ... ooops ... apparently my humble coin may not be 100% similar to the OP coin (oh well, enjoy)
     
  7. RaceBannon

    RaceBannon Member

    Those are beautiful coins Zohar. Congrats on the NEWPs!
     
  8. Zohar444

    Zohar444 Member

    Steve - thanks for sharing yours. I researched it a bit and saw quite a few varieties. This one having the horses looking away from each other while the riders face each other was attractive. Yours seems to be very much of similar theme. I am sure Doug will soon chime in to elaborate on the nuance.

    Thanks all for the continued support.
     
    stevex6 likes this.
  9. Aidan_()

    Aidan_() Numismatic Contributor

    Zohar man, you've done it yet again! Those are two amazingly detailed pieces. ;)
     
  10. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    That may be the most interesting Celtic silver I've seen. Fantastic!
     
  11. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    awesome stuff...man that celtic coin is bloody amazing.
     
  12. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    *yikes* => Doug scares me ... it's like he sees right through me (apparently I suffer from impostor syndrome)
     
  13. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Both are stunning, but the Celtic is fabulous!
     
  14. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    The Celtic piece is particularly beautiful. Congrats!
     
  15. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    IMHO the slabbers got it right. The Celt is really fine for these but the Servilia 1 is middle range on style. There were several members of the family that issued coins so we can't compare Steve's later issue to the OP early one. If I could have but one, I certainly prefer the OP design or the one from even later with the action scene. I can't recall seeing really nice ones of it.
    http://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=1194184

    Grading has a lot of room for opinions and the Fine Style business is even more open to personal tastes. If I had been forced to guess, I would have lowered the strike score of the Republican to 4 but raised the surface of the Celtic to 5. That is why we always warn that you should buy the coin and not the slab. Of course there will be those of us who wold not have either coin precisely because they are in slabs but that is another rant from posts of the past.
     
    Bing likes this.
  16. Zohar444

    Zohar444 Member

    Doug - thank you. Question:
    1) Are there many varieties of different reverse "scenes" for this type?
    2) The celtic surface is 5/5. What struck me is the patina/original look to it while the denarius seems to be retoning as many other specimens are after being dug up.
    3) To your last comment - I hope to become "slab independent" at some point as I get comfortable with grading. As a newbie in this area of collecting I see a lot of room for manipulation in grading given the subjectivity involved. The 3rd party opinion. while not perfect, at least takes it out of the seller's domain.

    Thanks again.
     
    Bing likes this.
  17. vlaha

    vlaha Respect. The. Hat.

    Zohar444, "You don't grade colonials, you price them". Wise words from a different field, the speaker was referring to the fact that some coins have too many factors to be graded properly and consistently. I believe ancients fall into this category, the wear sometimes doesn't matter as much as the centering or the strike.
     
  18. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    I agree with Vlaha completely. Wear is nowhere near the top of the list of things I consider important in a coin and there are ancients that are worn to VG that I would rather own than the same in EF with a long string of footnotes after the EF.
     
  19. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    I'd say half a dozen major types by several members of the family with a couple minor variations for most. It was a big name family in the Republic.
     
  20. Zohar444

    Zohar444 Member

    Thank you, Doug.
     
Draft saved Draft deleted

Share This Page