who are the people on the coins

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  1. lf2lues1ex

    lf2lues1ex New Member

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  3. De Orc

    De Orc Well-Known Member

    Not absolutly sure but the 1st guy might well be Ptolemy XII Neos Dionysos, 80 - 51 B.C. unfortunatly cant quite make out the 2nd coin :(

    De Orc :D
     
  4. Aidan Work

    Aidan Work New Member

    I can tell you that the top coin is inscribed in Greek,even though it is very Roman - a Greek Imperial coin.The bottom coin is inscribed in Latin.My command of both Greek & Latin aren't up to much.

    Aidan.
     
  5. satootoko

    satootoko Retired

    The inscription on the right side of the second coin might be "Antonius" or something similar. [​IMG]
     
  6. Ian

    Ian Coin Collector

    The first one looks to me to be a billon tetradrachm of the Roman Emperor Vespasian and from Antioch mint (eagle to left standing on a club).

    The second appears to be the Roman Emperor Elagabalus, in which case it would again be a billon tetradrachm from Antioch (this time with the eagle holding a wreath in its beak).
     
  7. Mikjo0

    Mikjo0 Numismatist

    I think Ian has it exactly right.Definitely Vespasian based on the portrait.he was the only guy with that "boxer's nose and the other one is most likely an Elagabalus Tet.I have one just like it and so do several other members here.I think Bonedigger has one?
    I just took another look at he 1st one and it is confirmed because after the small "o", it reads V/E/Sigma or S/Pi or P/...in other words...VESP
     
  8. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Well-Known Member

    Hello,

    Sorry not to agree, but the second one seems to be rather Caracalla than Elagabalus : I don't think there are portraits of Elagabalus wearing a beard at Antioch mint (There is none in Prieur) as he was very young as a ruler.

    Cucumbor
     
  9. Ian

    Ian Coin Collector

    I can see where you are comnig from. However, is there an Antioch billon tetradrachm of Caracalla which depicts an eagle with a wreath in its beak? Not being funny, I just haven't the time to go looking. I do know that there is one for Elagabalus referenced in Sears `Roman Coins and their values' as B.M.C. G.416.

    The only billon tetradrachm I can see listed for Caracalla at Antioch mint has a star and cornucopia between the legs of the eagle (reverse). presumably there were others, but of the style depicted?

    Ian
     
  10. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Well-Known Member

    Hello Ian

    I think almost all the tetradrachms of Caracalla at Antioch mint have a facing eagle, holding wreath, as reverse, and not all of them have a star between legs. According to Prieur there are several periods, with different styles. I think (just my opinion) it fits with the example showed by lf2lues1ex

    Below is an example from Antioch, with the descrption you mentioned.

    Cucumbor
     

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  11. ARLroxta

    ARLroxta New Member

    sorry i cant help you i am not that good with thisa sorta thing otherwise i would help you out
     
  12. Ian

    Ian Coin Collector

    For some reason the old brain synapses didn't quite click onto the presence of the cornucopia under the eagle on the example posted. My mind was stillstuck on an eagle sitting on a club (as in the Vespasian example). As such I think that you are correct in asserting that it is a billon teradrachm of Caracalla, Antioch mint. I've not seen an actual image of BMC G416.

    As an aside, I seem to recall seeing a gold aureus of Elagabalus sporting a beard, but maybe i'm mistaken (?). Memory (especially mine!) is a very fickle thing. ;)
     
  13. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Well-Known Member

    Slainte Ian,

    I found the example shown by lf2lues1ex as being Prieur # 244 (32 examples repertoried) with cornucopia and star between legs of eagle, while mine as shown above is Prieur # 214 (29 examples) with eagle standing on leg and thigh of a sacrificial animal

    Cucumbor
     
  14. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Well-Known Member

    To end with, I think I found a reference for the first coin as being Prieur # 112 (or one of the following depending on the regnal year), for Vespasian as Ian suggested. Eagle is standing on a club, and there is a palm branch in left field

    Cucumbor
     
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