1836 Capped Bust Half

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  1. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

    mrbrklyn, Feb 19, 2007
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  3. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Well, no idea what the Overton number is, but it's a 50 over 00 variety. Also have no idea on the value - have to check. I would also say that the coin has been tooled at some point in the past. So, if it was fairly priced for the variety and you still have a return privilege - I'd return it. If it was underpriced for the variety, welllllllll - maybe ya keep it.
     
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  4. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member


    I'm not going to return it because it was an charity auction after all and it is my first Capped Bust Half. What is tooled?
    They sent this to me in the mail insured and signed. I have to lose about $200 in salery to pick it up from the Post Office!

    According to the 2x2 it is an O-120 REV 16.

    Ruben
     
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  5. Jim M

    Jim M Ride it like ya stole it

    According to the 2x2 it is an O-120 REV 16.



    Just looked at my Overton and I agree with the designation above. Part of the variety is the star # 8 being recut, maybe this is what Doug is seeing? Its listed at an R.3


    All in all its not a bad looking coin in my opinion.
     
    Jim M, Feb 19, 2007
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  6. mrbrklyn

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    Which one is 8? The 2X2's opinion is that its an R16.

    The coins owner was G Barnett. Anyone know him?

    Ruben
     
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  7. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator


    Look at this pic, http://www.mrbrklyn.com/images/dsc01556.jpg

    - notice the 5. Now look in your Red Book. That's what I'm seeing.
     
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  8. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator


    Tooled means that someone has taken a metal tool and carved into the coin in order to make it look like more of the design is there than there really is. In other words - the coin had significant wear and in order to reduce the look of wear and make the coin grade higher than it should - they recarved portions of the design.

    It is an altered coin in my opinion.
     
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  9. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

    I don't see anything compared to so coinfacts. Is it tilted?

    Ruben
     
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  10. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

    The 5 does look deeper than the 0 and the C

    Ruben
     
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  11. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Look at the Red Book - there is a blowup picture of the 1836 50 over 00 variety. Look at that picture with a magnifying glass - your coin is a perfect match. That's all I am saying.
     
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  12. dopeuser

    dopeuser Senior Member

    Id say it looks harshly cleaned and recut/altered.
    For the amount of wear all over, it seems to have a lot of finely cut lines,
    ie: in the hair, the lines in the shield, the wing feathers, and the brooch looks
    not just touched up, but completely recarved into the coin.
    BUT Im not familiar with all the die varieties, so I could be wrong...
     
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  13. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Just to avoid any confusion - I'm not saying the date was tooled. I think that part is 100% genuine. But there are other areas on the coin that I would bet were tooled.
     
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  14. zaneman

    zaneman Former Moderator

    Doug,
    I believe I see tooling at the 6th star, the button of the drapery, as well as in the hair quite a bit. Is this what you are picking up on?
     
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  15. Bonedigger

    Bonedigger New Member

    Nice Half. Hmmm, with due respect it really doesn't look like a (50 over 00) to me. The attribution of O-120 on the flip appears correct. This one (O-120) has the T (United States of America) and I (E Pluribus Unum) lined up with the I centered under the left side of the T. Don't think it's been tooled either, beaten up some but no tooling. Why tool an 1836? The 5 shown with the example of the (50 over 00) in the RedBook is a different Overton variety, a O-116. The basic shapes of the numbers and letters are the same in the series however the different (many) dies used each year created a myriad of different varieties and can vary greatly, but you know this. It was a very primitive process...

    Take Care
    Ben
     
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  16. YNcoinpro_U.S.

    YNcoinpro_U.S. New Member

    Congrats on the new purchase. It's going to a great cause.
     
    YNcoinpro_U.S., Feb 20, 2007
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  17. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    Ruben:
    Welcome back, I haven't seen your postings in a while.
     
    Treashunt, Feb 20, 2007
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  18. Bonedigger

    Bonedigger New Member

    Major edit :) New information noted. Very well-done Ruben, Very Well Done :)

    Take Care
    Ben
     
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  19. mrbrklyn

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    I haven't had much to post about.

    Here is a better picture purhaps of the coins face.

    http://www.mrbrklyn.com/images/dsc01582.jpg

    Ruben
     
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  20. mrbrklyn

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  21. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member


    What new info??
     
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