1794 Large Cent Starred Rev., Obv. Dies?

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  1. K2Coins

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    I was just curious, could a 1794 large cent with a starred reverse be determined by the obverse die used? I have a '94 graded F details that I submitted to NGC but you cant tell if the reverse is starred or not due to ware. Thanks for your input!

    (I've been looking at the Obv. dies of the starred reverses and they look similar to the coin I have)
     
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  3. aubade21

    aubade21 Well-Known Member

    Do you have pictures? The obverse die used in the S-48 (starred reverse) was used in the S-47, 48, and 49 dies. So if you're sure it's the same obverse, you've narrowed it down to three possibilities.
     
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  5. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    That obv was also used on NC-9, a much rarer variety than S-48. So there are four varieties.
     
  6. K2Coins

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    How would you know if it is the NC-9 or the S-48 or another variety?
     
  7. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    You have to identify it from the reverse. Assuming you want to be able to identify it without seeing if it has stars.....

    On S-49 the right hand leaves just above ONE reach about a third of the way over the N. (late die stages have a heavy crack running from the rim down through the upright of the E into the head.)

    If the end of those leaves don't extend past the E, look at the point of leaf below the M. If it doesn't reach the center of the M it is NC-9. (two of the three known specimens have a bisecting crack from 6 to 12 o'clock.)

    Next look at the wreath stems. On S-47 they are short with the left hand one pointing almost at the bottom of the U, and the right hand one pointing at the right base of the A.

    On S-48 the are long with the left one pointing close to the top of the U, and the right one ending even with the right foot of the A.
     
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  8. K2Coins

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    Thank you for this information @Conder101 ! Ill check out the coin when i get home and see what it is!
     
  9. K2Coins

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    Looks to me (from your description) that it is the S-49. Would this variety have the starred reverse?
     
  10. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    No S-48 is the starred reverse.
     
  11. aubade21

    aubade21 Well-Known Member

    S-49. That's what I thought as well. I didn't remember the previous post that you linked. Glad I didn't give you the wrong information.
     
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