1846 Seated Liberty $1 - Fake?

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  1. Taxidermist

    Taxidermist Collector of US/IL/RU/DE

    I can't get rid of the feeling this is a fake, and not a good one. Seller got good reputation, got plenty of US gold coins for sale.

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  3. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    Unequivocally a fake.
     
  4. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    Seconded.
     
  5. harris498

    harris498 Accumulator

    I'm no expert with Seated Dollars. What are you guys seeing that screams fake? At first glance, I see plenty of detractors, but nothing about it looks obviously counterfeit, to me.
     
  6. vdbpenny1995

    vdbpenny1995 Well-Known Member

    9 o clock on the reverse rim among the rest of the reverse's rim and the "beading" rim on the obverse
     
  7. Taxidermist

    Taxidermist Collector of US/IL/RU/DE

    All letters feel a bit weird, year doesn't look good, especially the "6".

    Rim issues.

    Wear on all the stars around Liberty doesn't look natural.

    Surface got marks and pits that are typical for Chinese fakes.

    Wear on eagle`s wings doesn't look right.

    What really confused me is not the look of the coin but the amount of expensive coins the seller offers and his high 100% positive feedback.
     
  8. spirityoda

    spirityoda Coin Junky

    just my opinion but if I were to buy a seated dollar....it would have to be slabbed PCGS or NGC. there would be no way I would spend that much money on a coin and not know that it's authentic. some day in the far future ha ha... I will want a nice seated dollar slabbed of course. :blackalien:
     
  9. doug444

    doug444 STAMPS and POSTCARDS too!

  10. jello

    jello Not Expert★NormL®

    I don't think it's a fake. 1846 Philadelphia stuck Seated Dollar. Rim looks to have been in jewelry that can make rim look odd or wide . Plus low grade harshly cleaned date could have been damaged in circulation. Here a grade one for you to compare with.
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    If you could take a few closeups of date Obv and Rev that would help us help you.
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  11. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    I'm retracting my emphatic statement that this coin is a counterfeit.

    It believe it was struck with the proof dies of this year, which had a slightly different look in the lettering and numerals from those found in the business strikes.

    It's pretty embrassing to make such a strong assertion and then find oneself to be wrong . . .
     
  12. Travlntiques

    Travlntiques Well-Known Member

    Here be mine....
    Light porosity on the obverse from 9 O'Clock to 3 (environmental damage) as dictated by ANACS.
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  13. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    May I ask if you're, at least in part, speaking of the PR RPD, and/or was there more than one obv die (PR) used this year?
     
  14. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    I just grabbed my notes and it appears there were two. Also, the OP's coin displays the rev crack from above D through ST which I have noted as a marker.
     
  15. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    It appears to me that the same reverse is shared by proofs with the RPD and without.

    I based my conclusion on the reverse and not the obverse, however it definitely appears, based on date position, that the obverse of the OP's coin agrees most closely with the RPD proof.
     
  16. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    I'll have to double check, but to my eyes the date position looked a little right for the RPD.

    Also, as a visual example...

    http://www.usrarecoininvestments.co...l.htm?HK_CMS=d16d23e55b1eec9e079a9e6aa2efd96c
     
  17. harris498

    harris498 Accumulator

    So, are we in concord that this looks to be an authentic example?
     
  18. jello

    jello Not Expert★NormL®

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