Double die underneath date?

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  1. Profit man

    Profit man Active Member

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  3. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

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    Before someone else says it, the correct term is "doubled die." And no, I think what you are seeing is the result of a harsh polishing/cleaning.
     
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  4. Profit man

    Profit man Active Member

    I think you maybe right, or wrong.
     
  5. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    You need a better image to get more than a wild guess.
    Edit to add, It's not a DDO.
     
  6. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    This is the, ahem, "proof", and no... it's not.
     
  7. Pokeplayer101

    Pokeplayer101 Member

    Yeah I suggested the coin to be something. I can't quite remember but on some Lincoln cents isn't there the same type of "error" in the date?
     
  8. non_cents

    non_cents Well-Known Member

    Doubled dies would be varieties and not errors. Doubling in the date could be from many causes, such as mechanical doubling, die deterioration, a weird lighting angle, etc.
     
  9. Pokeplayer101

    Pokeplayer101 Member

    Could this have been effected from a split planchet? Like the bubble copper split planchet?
     
  10. BooksB4Coins

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  11. geekpryde

    geekpryde Husband and Father Moderator

    Its toning (or lack of), related to metal flow. Somewhat common on Morgans,
    Like this:

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    and this:

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  12. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor

    What you may be thinking of are RPD ( repunched dates). In the older series such as Morgan Dollars and especially the IHC, the main devices were pressed from hub die to working die and so could produce regular doubled dies, but the date, mm, was added with a punch by hand. So RPMs ( repunched mintmarks) were also possible. Some sources mention RPD in Morgans as Doubled dates ( VAM) , even thought they occurred differently from the regular DD of the main devices. You can have a IHC 1873 Doubled die ( DD liberty in main device) regular dated Cent , and a different cent of 1873 IHC RP Date Cent (with non DD Regular liberty).

    So no, it is not a DD.
     
  13. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank


    nice
     
  14. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

  15. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    I agree.
     
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  16. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    Heres my 1904, which is vam #8 juio.jpg
     
  17. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    The lack of toning below the date is very common on Morgan dollars. As a matter of fact, you can often see it on the outer side of the stars. It is not a DDO or RPM.

    Chris
     
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  18. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Rick,
    The lack of toning under the date has no bearing on any VAM which is assigned. You didn't mention it, but I assume that yours is a 1904-O. The 1904 (Philly) VAM-8 is a proof.

    Chris
     
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  19. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    its the proof, the only image I couldn't catch was the polish line in the 9 of the date, 250x just won't do it
     
  20. non_cents

    non_cents Well-Known Member

    Can you post a photo of the whole coin?
     
  21. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    If I still had it, gave it back to my father
     
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