Help me with these Bust Half Dollars Please

Haven't been around much as my daughter takes up most of my free time. I was able to make it into a coin shop this afternoon and came across a few coins that interests me, was wondering if I could get some help with these guys.

What do you think they grade, what's the overton and what do you think the value is on these?

I'm fairly new to bust halves, so hopefully I can get some help here.

1819 Bust


1812 Bust- Appears to have a die clash on both obverse and reverse

1829 Bust Half

1828 Bust Half



1826 Bust Half

 

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Ditto

 

I am not a bust half expert, and I don't "do" Overton's (but respect those who do!) so my comments are just based on my experiences and the images. Whether I like or don't like is just my subjective opinion.
1819: looks dipped and retoning, possibly cleaned. probably au, but I don't care for it.Also some green sheen in recesses that might be pvc.
1812: obv scratch bothers me but even more is the green sheen I see on both sides which makes me worried about pvc.
1829: Nice coin! xf or au
1828: Nice! looks Au something.
1826: looks cleaned, dipped and retoning. not a coin I would buy.

 

The 1819 has hairlines in the field likely grade au details
The 1812 xf 45 the scratch bothers me and is an old retoning dip
The 1829 au 50-53 I love the color
The 1828 au-55 love the color
1826 au 55 look close at the fields for hairlining definitely dipped anyway. I don't have my book on halfs handy I'll try to look up the overtons when I get a chance me I'd go for the 28 and 29 on their original surfaces if their dipped they've retoned nice I'd need to see in hand to be positive

 

I hate to burst your bubble, but I have to concur with Sparrow on this. Acetone will remove the green goo without damaging the artificial toning. Unless there is some reasonable explanation, like these were all in the same Wayte Raymond folder for 70 years, then these were colored recently perhaps to hide problems, perhaps to make over-cleaned coins look more presentable. With Busties, you get that over-cleaning. In 100 years of collecting, it is unavoidable. In the old Boy Scout Handbook, c. 1940 or maybe even later, they recommended "brightening" coins with a pencil eraser. So, we have them all with us today...

Buy the book before you buy the coins. Overton has long been superseded by

The ultimate guide to attributing bust half dollars. *
Author Peterson, Glenn R.
Publisher:Rocky River, Money Tree Press, 2004.

Bust half fever, 1807-1836. *
Author:Souders, Edgar E., 1951-
Publisher:Rocky River, Money Tree Press, 1995.

I have these and others, but we just moved so, they are in the garage in boxes.

If you are going to put money into these coins, you need the books and find some other support. If nothing else, join the ANA and you can borrow books from their library. Also, you can check out that dealer to see if he is ANA member; because really, it is not good form to sell expensive problems to new collectors. I take it that the 1829 is in a certified holder like PCGS or NGC? The others are raw?

 

I do own the Glenn Peterson Ultimate Guide to Attributing Bust Half Dollars. I just think I'm never correct.

I'm guessing the 1812 is the O-103 reverse as you can see the lie lines next to the eagle on the reverse.

The 1826 is the O-113a as there is a die mark on the upper right of the shield on the reverse.

Thought the 1819 was a O-111, but it says the obverse has a spiked cap.

Haven't got to the others yet, but I'm working on it.

 

They are all slabbed by either pcgs ngc or anacs. Not all have a numerical grade.

 

I see now that the NGC Registry footer is your actual footer. The coins were graded and authenticated by experts. And you already have Dr. Peterson's book. My opinions are far less informed.

 

The 1826 is a AU58

 

With slabbed coins i always follow a few rules, whenever i am buying NGC or PCGS i usually take that there grade is correct. I know many people say buy the coin not the plastic, but when it comes down to it people will generally only pay the the value of the grade listed on the slab, if it is under graded or over graded early makes a difference. That being said don't pay retail for slabbed coins either if retail is 100 dollars for i coin i generally only will buy it if price is 70 or less. Also be very careful when buying ICG, ANACS slabbed coins some times they are not as spot on and any other coins slabbed by other companies then thought for i will actually pay much less for it!! Keep that all in mind when buying slabbed.
IMO the AU50 1819 is a very nice coin and i would most likely buy that at the right price !!

 

The Genuine coin is $350, the 1826 is $450, the rest I believe are $400

 

Surprised that NGC gave the 1819 a problem free grade.

The 1828 must have something wrong with it since its in a genuine holder; not sure if its environmental damage or questionable toning the would keep it from being problem free.

The best of the bunch is the 1826. Is it in an ANACS holder? You have to be careful with their slabs since, they are not as strict on problem coins (cleaning, artificial toning, etc) as the big two.

 

The 1826 is in a NGC holder.



So can I send the 1819 in to get an acetone bath and have it stay in an AU53 holder without submitting it for a new grade? The luster in it was amazing.

 

The 1819 doesn't look as bad as it shows in the picture above. I'm not seeing the green that was shown in the first pics. Maybe it was just the lighting in the coin shop?

 

Here are my guesses:
1. AU53. (1819)
2. XF45 (1812)
3. AU50 (1829)
4. AU details cleaned(1828)
5. AU58 (1826)

 

What is the reason for the details grade on the 1828? That looks problem free and original they've been detailing coins for bs reasons lately and passing some real crap

 

In the original photo, there appear to be cleaning hairlines on the obverse. Moreover, I would expect an otherwise AU coin to have more luster and on this specimen, at least based on the photographs, I interpreted as being at least somewhat impaired. Both of these, considered together, lead me to believe that the coin may have been cleaned in the past.

 

I'm glad that the green cast that concerned me appears to have been a lighting artifact. I still don't see anything about the 1828 that would lead me to believe that it has been cleaned. This is the problem with GTG threads: things like luster and hairlines may be invisible unless the coin is seen in hand. Add to that the subjective nature of coin grading, market grading and net grading, and you have fertile ground for discussion, disagreement, and head scratching. Ain't it fun, though?

 

Not sure, asked the dealer and he said it's a nice coin, don't know why it got the grade.

 

I have to laugh, at the top of the page is the title, "Help me with these bust half dollars, please" and directly over it is an ad for a Chinese matching service with photos of 7 rather "busty" young ladies. The juxtaposition just caught me by surprise. Carry on.