Toning?

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Kleyman97, Sep 26, 2004.

  1. Kleyman97

    Kleyman97 New Member

    How is it achieved, on what metals, and does it help the price?

    Thanks,

    -Ilya
     
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  3. satootoko

    satootoko Retired

    Naturally or artificially by the reaction of the coin metal with the atmosphere, or any substance (paper, cardboard, felt, etc.) it comes in contact with, and it can be affected by the conditions of heat and humidity to which it is subjected, among other things. Remember, toning is a euphemism for tarnish, the darkening and/or corrosion of metal.
    The principal coin metals that tarnish or "tone" are silver, copper, and bronze alloys. Aluminum and zinc just corrode, iron/steel rust, and gold of the purity used for most coins is more or less immune.
    It depends. Ugly tarnish, at best, has no effect on price, and at worst can devalue a coin substantially. What many people (not including yours truly) call "monster toning" can add value to U.S. coins and some world coins. Even "toning" lovers generally agree that artificial toning is bad, but there are many issues involved in determining what is artificial and what is natural.

    BTW, you will probably get some answers disagreeing with my take on this subject, but that's OK, my feelings are tough to hurt. :D
     
  4. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator


    Color hater :D :D

    I'll bet you still watch black & white TV :rolleyes: :D
     
  5. Machiavelli

    Machiavelli New Member

    im not too fond of the eratic rainbow toning.. to me thats ugly... but i do like the golden tones on the war nickels I believe it was you GD that showed those on another thread... very beautiful... :D

    Mach
     
  6. ageka

    ageka New Member

    Around 1970 I bought all kinds of gold 20 Francs ( Belgian, French, Suisse ) Sovereigns and 10 Florins from a bank on a regular basis and put them in a bankvault
    Around 1970 there was still a 25% numismatic value on old Sovereigns and other old coins
    When I wanted to sell the coins around 1980 they were suddenly all jewellers coins, cleaned, shiny etc and the same bank offered 5% below melt to have them melted ; the premium was gone too
    I showed them the purchase slips and they compromised ; they would buy back five coins and they never wanted to see me again
    Now I am a chemical engineer and took the challenge ; they wanted dirty coins : they would get dirty coins
    So I put all the coins on a high place above my french fry oilkettle
    I turned the coins weekly
    After three months of dayly french fries the condensed fats ( I used solid fat in my kettle ) had made the coins real sticky
    I then collected dust from my ten year old wine bottles and saturated the fat with dust until the coins were dry and not sticky
    I was then able to sell the coins for normal value to the bunch of guys that tried to defraude me in the first place
    The coins looked really icky and 100 year old , no minting lustre left
    But that was what the bank wanted dirty old coins :eek:
     
  7. rick

    rick Coin Collector

    that's... pretty imaginative.

    I didn't even know banks sold bullion coins.
     
  8. ageka

    ageka New Member

    Notice I am from Belgium
    If you want a specific gold coin any bank can get a coin on the list of readily recognized coins at about 7% over spot (you order it )
    Attached is the link to the exchange agent that provides some banks
    and the coins that are recognised


    http://www.eurogold.be/UK/main.htm


    However if you only want just a gold coin you can walk into any monyexchange agent making his living from changing dollars and yen and buying and selling goldcoins on the side
    He will be content with 2% over spot on what he has in his safe that day
    You hand over money and walk out with your coin
     
  9. satootoko

    satootoko Retired

    In the States just about all money changers, including those banks that do provide the service, deal strictly in bills and notes, and they neither accept nor provide coins.
     
  10. ageka

    ageka New Member

    That is true in Belgium too
    No foreign coins accepted or provided
    But goldcoins and goldbars are traded by virtually all exchange agents
    I suppose this has historical background
     
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