Does NGC Grade or Details This 1794 Cent?

This is a cent I picked up at a local show this weekend. I really liked the coin and thought it was treated a little harshly. It formerly resided in an PCGS XF details corrosion holder. Compared to this XF40 I think mine has a chance http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/281380972229?lpid=82

Thoughts?

 

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Yours is far nicer, much more details.

 

Of course I will defer to the fine EAC members here, but my vote would be details. I simply believe there is a line of surface corrosion, and this one has slightly crossed it while the listed auction is right at it. You are right they are fairly close, but I simply believe this one has more of it than the other, enough so its beginning to be a distraction.

I bet you any EAC member would like to have it though. Its a very pretty coin. I hope I am wrong about the TPG.

 

Going to jump in here with a question.

The coin appears to have a bubbly appearance which normally says the coin is fake. Is that appearance caused by corrosion?

 

It's corrosion, probably dug out of the ground. Env Damg - XF Details.

 

Cast fakes will usually have bubbles above the fields along with the rough look , this has none . Nice coin Matt , either way I'd love to have it .

 

Despite really liking your coin, I think it gets a details holder. The ebay coin has corrosion that is slightly less uniform than your raw coin, which I'm sure factored into it getting a grade. Still, the ebay '94 is very borderline and, if submitted 10 times, I think it ends up in a details holder four, and maybe five out of the ten. (I think your coin has better details, however.)

So, while I've seen worse planchets get a grade, I'd personally (like a lot of other EAC members), would want to keep this one raw. However, I know as a dealer, buyers like these in plastic...and there is always a chance it grades.

Nice pickup!

 

Like others have noted Josh, its corrosion instead. They kinda sorta look a little alike, but after you have seen a few thousand of each your eye quickly determines which is which. This is not meant as a slam or a comment on your other thread. Its simply something that comes with more and more experience. If you have anyone you know who metal detects, ask to look at his coins before they get rid of them. Study how environmental damage affects coin surfaces. You will see this one exhibits classic patterns of being buried. Then look at a lot of cast fakes, using a loupe if needed. You will see how they are completely different looks and feelings of surface inconsistencies.

Another way to say it is casting bubbles from fake coins are bubbling to the surface, whereas being buried takes away a little of the surface. Two different reasons for surface irregularites, and maybe that helps thinking about the differences.

 

My vote is for details. One major difference between the coins is you coin was circulated and then corroded. Your comparator was corroded(?) and then circulated.

BTW, I definitely prefer your coin regardless.

 

I think both coins should be in details holder. I would not be surprised if NGC did not net grade it. One of the reasons why you buy the coin and not the holder. It seems to me, my opinion only - that more problem coins are making it into NGC and PCGS holders. At least as far as large cents go.

 

Wonder if VerdiCare would help?

 

I think it would hurt in this case - by removing dirt and debris on the coin it might make it look worse. This is one I would leave alone. Even though it is porous it has good details and a nice color - in my opinion.

 

Love the coin ! It's Sheldon-43, rarity r.2+.

Nice, but no way this coin should slab. It might, but it shouldn't.

 

I like your comment. I usually want to improve the appearance of coins like this, but porous metal surfaces are just not forgiving.

 

I think the surface condition will preclude a grade. Still, I like it as the corrosion is light and diffuse, so your eye does not focus on a particular "bad spot." I also think the coin was cleaned after being dug up and then recolored with a sulfur compound. Nothing wrong with that as the burial damage is the main impairment. But the bright metal around the rims tells me that it was cleaned up a bit.

 

Would love to be able to afford this coin. I think it will get details slab though. The surfaces remind me of some ancient coins.

 

It'll grade xf details environmental damage. That being said I love it and would be proud to own it!! My s-61 is in a NGC xf environment damage slab and is similar yet is one of my favorite coins I own.

 

Actually on a second look that could even go au details