What is this? does it add to value, or detract? I know some stamps add value due to era, but IDK about this one, I heard from a friend it signifies the overthrow of the Romanovs, and he said it increases value slightly because the coin is in XF without the stamp. Can someone verify please??
It says "The fall of Romanov house, March 1917". I have never seen one of these but according to what I just found on Russian forums, it was stamped privately on an unknown amount of 1 rouble and 50 kopeck coins, various years roubles but all from Nicholas II era. While it might have been stamped in 1917, it is believed (based on certain authoritative research) that many fake stamps where produced on such roubles in the 1930s. At this point I`m not sure anyone can tell when was it stamped, maybe on your rouble it was stamped yesterday. Anyone can prepare a stamp and ruin as many coins as he wants... It could even say "The fall of King Tut house". Price-wise its a damaged coin. It is possible someone will pay extra for it, especially on eBay, but there is no way of proving if this is authentic or fake stamp.
The other side of the coin is flattened slightly. The coins are listed as AU Thank you for the info! I think I have all I need to go by for this
This coin was AU about 100 years ago, it looks VF today from the photo and wear pattern on crown/wings tips/crests.
Here's one question I have - Do you believe the original host coin is genuine to start off with? I believe not. There's a crap lot of shocking good looking replicas in particular some of the Soviet precious metal coins (gold, palladium and platinum).
Well, here's four more to compare with the OP's coin, including two counterstamps: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-RUBLE-1902-1905-AG-1904-EB-RUSSIA-NIKOLAY-II-UNCIRCULATED-/291207892261 edit//Maybe the OP's image was taken from this eBay listing; that's not a criticism, it just occurred to me.
You may want to send Siberian Man a PM with your question(s). He may know something more about the Russian coin & seller. Edit/ I sent Siberian Man a brief PM directing him to this thread.
Looking at the full group in the ebay listing I agree that the host coins are also modern copies with faked patina.
Okay, I translated the Russian text. They are fake for sure. However the seller told me they are struck as coins, not cast, and are .900 silver. So seeing as how I don't have thousands to buy those specific dates for my set, what would be a decent price to pay for some faked real silver coins?
The Seller's probably already in a jam with eBay for selling counterfeits. He also tried to con you. Suggest you stay far away from this nutty deal. If you want to benefit the numismatic fraternity, REPORT him, whether eBay cares or not; you will have the satisfaction of doing the right thing.
I did, I have made a decision too. I wanted so bad to collect all of the Silver roubles, I already have 1895/96/97/98/99/00 But those after 1900 are so terribly expensive I might as well go gold. I make picture frames out of my coins, and hang them up. So what I have decided to do is go from 1895-1900 on the Silver 1 roubles, (total of 6) Then get 3 gold 5 roubles, and 1 gold 10 roubles. I wanted to get every coin of each set, but I am not rich at all, and this will take months to save up if not over a year or two. But I think it will be a nice framed set. (I'd prefer to get the first 3 years of the 5 roubles, and then the first year 10 rouble)
There are actually 12 silver roubles from 1895 to 1900 (+ some extremley rare varieties with plain edges or die rotations): 1895 - AG as engraver mark on edge (russian letters) 1896 - AG or * (star, if I remember correctly, this is Paris) 1897 - AG or ** (two stars, Brussels if I'm correct) 1898 - AG, * or ** 1899 - EB, FZ or ** 1900 - FZ 1901 FZ is also cheaper coin, it costs usually 1.5 times more than regular dates (1896-1900). It is definetley cheaper than 1895 (unless You have copy) Regarding this 1904 rouble with counter stamp - I'm almost sure that the coin itself is fake.
I make no apologies for this but we should all keep away from modern counterfeits. Reason being is, if we keep on buying such counterfeits, it does not help us in the long run. Counterfeiters have more reasons to invest money in producing higher quality counterfeits which makes it more difficult to diagosis unless you are a specialist. At present, some of easier ways of detecting counterfeits such as magnetic test, weight test and edge detection are already no longer good for higher quality counterfeits. Who knows what kind of metal was used in such coins. Silver alloy? I doubt it. Probably lead based and then plated silver? Likely but would you want to handle it? Only reason I would keep counterfeits is when I was deceived big time or it is a contempory counterfeit
One interesting thing is that according to the picture with the four coins on the scale, if the scale is accurate, each coin is about 0.3 grams overweight and that is based on mint state reference weight. Assuming same diameter/thickness, a lead alloy core is pretty certain. Probably made to correct weight initially and then additional weight added from relatively thick silver plating.
I don't know about the rest of you, but when I have a foreign coin question, I'm going to ask Numismat.
I saw such counter stamp a few weeks ago. The date "1917" - is the date of the revolution in Russian Empire. I think that unknown private person made this counter stamp on the coin of Nicolas II.
