Morgan Dollar question

I don't like the way the head on that eagle looks either. It just seems off. I'm far from an expert on Morgans though, so I'm compelled to believe what Books said of the different design.

 

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full luster?

 

Looks scrubbed in the photos where you're holding it. Does not look proof-like to me.

 

AU details, cleaned. No luster or PL to me.

 

I agree with Books that it is legitimate. The design is consistent with the '21s that I have seen, and owned. It is definitely a problem coin as well. Looks cleaned and retoned to a battleship gray color.

 

It almost looks polished in the original photos, but in the second set, I question the cartwheel luster. It appears dull, circulated and cleaned.

If you could take some pictures head on of both the obverse and reverse, it would be easier to judge.

Eventhough the '21 is supposed to duplicate the earlier design, that date (all mints) just looks off. They original dies were all destroyed and they tried to replicate the origina design, but it just fall a little short. Doesn't seem to have quite the fine detail. The chin and mouth are a bit different as well.

 

Remember:
The 1921 was a different die from other years.

Also, PL & DMPL's for 1921 are very scarce.

 

It does still have cartwheels. It is hard to see but it is still there. My attempts to photograph it have not worked out.

 

From the photos, there is not a bit of luster left on that coin. I'm going to have to side 100% with @GDJMSP on this one -- it's been polished/cleaned heavily, and any hint of "luster" and/or "mirror like shiny" you're seeing is a result of it.

That coin is no where near PL, much less DMPL.

Edited: I checked out your website again a few days ago as I know you just did a big update (Nice new look, by the way!). I recall seeing this coin listed on your site, with a PL designation. Be VERY VERY careful when you list raw coins for sale if you're attempting to grade and designate them yourself.

 

Yeah I don't have any experience with dmpl or pl morgans as I never collected them.. maybe I should Start.... But anyways the bottom line is that this coin is an AU Details polished morgan. I suppose I could get 20-25 for it.

 

A fine recommendation and one worth emphasizing….

 

I'll be a lot more careful from now on. Thanks guy I appreciate it.

 

I was lucky enough to get a '21 MS65 PL. I bought it solely because of it's a condition rarity. NGC pop is 41 and PCGS is 14 for a 65 PL.

 

Excellent pick up.
I collected these back in the late '70's, and that was a very tough one.

 

The coin is unquestionably NOT Prooflike, and that would be misrepresenting the condition. It should be disclosed as a potentially cleaned/polished coin, because it looks that way.

 

No way, no how PL or DMPL. That is a bad coin.

 

It's real... But it's definitely had a scrubby scrub. That's an easy one...

 

it's PL (Polished Lightly) or it might be DMPL (Definitely Maybe Polished Lightly)