portugese 400 reis

Discussion in 'World Coins' started by coinage86, Feb 8, 2007.

  1. coinage86

    coinage86 New Member

    portugese 400 reis is a thin silver coin with a crest on one side and a crown on the other side. I have one dated 1835. Ive seen these coins on ebay. from $50 to $250. mine is fine/very fine. mine has a crack in it at the 11 oclock area. with the crack, how high can it grade? is this type coin really worth $400 in mint condition, as one ebay seller claims? As for mine, I was in the azores in 1989, and I bought it in a portugese shop. probably paid $10 to $20. This would be a cool coin to get slabbed, regardless of what it grades.
     
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  3. Aidan Work

    Aidan Work New Member

    Can you please post some photos of this Portuguese 400 Reis coin of Queen Maria II da Gloria (1828/34-53)?

    Aidan.
     
  4. coinage86

    coinage86 New Member

    re: request for scan

    I dont have equipment to scan/photograph it. But your description maria whatever is the coin Im talking about. The crack is a quarter inch crack from the edge inward. You can see the crack on both sides of the coin. nice coin with slight circulation wear.
     
  5. coinage86

    coinage86 New Member

    400 reis 1835

    still looking for some info from you fine folks. general value of this coin. value with a crack, I guess you might call it a die crack?
     
  6. satootoko

    satootoko Retired

    Without a picture a value opinion can't be formed, since condition is such a major part of the valuation process.

    In addition, that "crack" could be a die crack, a planchet defect, or after-mint damage; each of which would affect the final value differently.
     
  7. RomanTheRussian

    RomanTheRussian Well-Known Member

    Sounds more like a planchet error than a die crack. Would be interesting to see images. These are the ones' stamped over Spanish Colonial 8 Reales, right?
     
  8. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator


    Let me see if this helps you - I assume this is the type of coin in question.

    In this auction the seller is asking $145 - coin 1 - for a coin supposedly in AU50 condition - he didn't get it.

    In this auction the same coin is being offered by the same seller for $50, coin 2 - supposedly in XF condition, again he didn't get it.

    The same seller even had a 3rd coin up for sale that did not sell either. As a matter of fact there were 0 bids in all 3 auctions. Now, what that should tell you is two things - number 1 this seller is not well thought of. Number 2 - he is selling overpriced & overgraded coins, which explains number 1.

    But it also gives you some idea of the value of your coin - whatever the case it's less than $50. And based on your description I suspect it is worth less than half of that.
     
  9. josemartins

    josemartins Member

    10 to 20 US$ seems a fair price for one of those in F/VF, 1835 is the most common date of Maria II "Cruzados", and "die cracks" won't add any value to it.
    Roman, these aren't the coins stamped over Spanish 8 reales, actually these "cruzados" were often used as "base/planchets" for Brazilian 640 reis coins.
    GD, the two examples you gave can't be compared, Maria II 480 reis coins are much pricier than the John VI (as regent) ones, those were not sold because they were both overpriced, i wish i could find "coin 1" for the "coin 2" price!

    Jose
     
  10. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator


    A definite ooops on coin 2, wrong link :headbang: Coin 1 is a Maria II, but from 1834 instead of 1835.
     
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