1854 SEATED LIBERTY HALF DIME, PMD?

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I know what it is, but am having trouble understanding what you believe was mail fraud.

Also, was the coin shipped to you with tracking?

 

the seller told lies about the coin in their listing just to sell the coin. the coin was shipped to me with a tracking number. however, i don't have the option of going to the post office to get the $2.00 cost. i have to ship from home with usps, and their lowest price is $5.05.

 

i have a question for everybody here. now i wanna know how many people here would say that it would be okay with ebay, okay with the law and okay with buyers for me to list coins in this fashion? see the examples below. of couse i only post these examples to make my points, i would never even think of listing coins or anything else this way.

 

1912-S GEM BU RED LINCOLN CENT, RARE MINT ERROR WITH MINTMADE SPOTS.

 

Yes...because that whole $8 is pure profit too. If that coin cost the seller melt...that is around $1.50. Out of that $8 eBay gets about 10% ($0.80). Of course, one can't forget the free shipping...which is only free for the buyer. Odds are, that was a minimum of $3 for postage and supplies. So, that right there is $5.30 in overhead. I know the coin sold for $8.30 or so...so yes, he cleared a vast $3 off you. I can't imagine why he was annoyed when someone bought an item that was clearly presented in the photos, and made a $3 profit, why he would be annoyed when the buyer complained.

It's quite amazing how this story has evolved. First, you complained that the seller wanted you to send it back with tracking (which is only fair since you probably received it with tracking). Which you refused to do. The members here sided with the seller...so suddenly, the "facts" came out that the seller forced you to complain to eBay. Then, you say you only got your money back eBay forced him to do so. Every time you respond...it seems that the story about the seller gets worse and worse to conveniently support your statements. No offense, but I find this all kind of hard to believe.

Then, you turn to petty insults and imply that I am uneducated and need to "open a book once in a while." Well sir, I'm willing to bet that I have read far more about coins (and many other things) than you have.

 

RARE. 1928-S LINCOLN CENT, GEM BU, MS67 RED.

 

VERY RARE. 1906-O BARBER DIME, GEM MS-68, WORTH $10,000

 

That wouldn't be allowed, ebay rules prohibit listing estimated values in titles.

Now that I look at it, numerical grade values apparently aren't allowed in titles either.
http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/currstamps.html

 

Perhaps, but unfortunately (or as far as I can tell) you cannot prove this. We've a member here who has a bad habit of cracking problem dreck and selling raw with little or no mention of said problems; this, with a little searching, can be proven, but in your case it cannot.

Short of the word "error", the coin was presented in a manner which allowed for potential buyers to reasonably asses it, and this must be taken into consideration.

Thank you, but please understand you cannot fault the seller (in this respect) when your situation is responsible for the additional cost. Therefore, since tracked returns are the norm today, this must be taken into consideration when buying anything.

 

first of all, even at only $3.00 per coin, the seller could make $30,000 per month if they list 10,000 coins. 2. many sellers send items with postage paid discounts, or similar discounts on shipping costs. 3.if you think that the price of an item is the key element of fraud, well, you are very wrong. 4. you sound as if you have not read any books in many years. i am just telling you what i see, based on your comments. as for my reading books, one of my best subjects in school was reading. i received numerous awards for it. 5. everything i have said here about the seller is the truth, and there is more about the seller that i have not mentioned here yet.

 

1. This seller has a feedback of 693...somehow I doubt they are a major company selling 10,000 items per month. You are right, you can make money with that business model...but that is irrelevant to this discussion because that is clearly not the case here.

2. You are right, if you buy shipping through eBay...there is a small savings. However, in my selling experience it is still $2-$3 minimum with postage and supplies.

3. There is no evidence of fraud here. None, zero. You are right...the seller did call it an "error" but there is no proof that they did not know that was wrong. And, they refunded your money.

4. I'll ignore the petty insult as it serves no purpose.

5. I just find it hard to believe that new "facts" are revealed to support your ever worsening comments as people disagree with you. I'm not saying you are lying (as I don't know)...I'm just saying it seems a little too convenient.

 

your 3. and 5. replies: 3. let me ask you a question, what would you call fraud? 5. you don't believe my comments and yet you have no problem defending ebay sellers and their listings. you believe they did not know what they are doing. or at the very least, you give them the benefit of the doubt.

 

No, they couldn't. Even if the coins cost them nothing to acquire, they'd still have to pay fees/expenses which most certainly would eat into their gross, and this, of course, assumes that they'd actually sell each and every coin.

If you can prove it, please do.

Yes... and is what everyone deserves until or unless they prove otherwise.

 

I don't consider it fraud because I don't think it was designed to deceive. I think it's more likely that the seller didn't know. The fact that they allowed it to be returned should be proof enough. Had it truly been a fraud, they would have made every attempt to prevent it from being returned including not responding to your messages. It just doesn't make sense for it to be a fraud.

I find your comments hard to believe because the story kept changing. Every time someone disagreed with you...you responded with new information to counter what was said. Again, I don't know what actually happened...what you could be saying might be exactly the truth. However, like I said, it just seems convenient.

I give them the benefit of the doubt because they did the right thing in the end. Frankly, based on how I have seen you respond to posts here on CT, I would imagine your messages to them were quite hostile. That is why they probably didn't want to play nice and pushed you to go through eBay to make a return happen. That may also be why they demanded a tracking number...not only is it recommended by eBay, but my guess is the way you responded to them gave them some concern.

Now, none of that may have happened, I don't know because I wasn't privy to those messages. But, it sure would fit.

 

Nothing to see here folks..........and please remember to not feed the trolls.

 

Like this.....

Perhaps the old saying that goes "you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar" would fit well here? Nah.... couldn't be.

 

you forgot to mention the part where the seller told me: no tracking number, no refund. that was before i sent the seller the above message that you quoted.

 

see your above comment. i have to prove that my comments about the seller are true, and yet the seller does not have to prove anything.