POLL: 1829 Capped Bust Half Dollar - Problem Coin? Grade?

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Grade?

  1. Fake

    1 vote(s)
    5.9%

  2. Genuine - Cleaned

    3 vote(s)
    17.6%

  3. Genuine - Damaged

    2 vote(s)
    11.8%

  4. VF20

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%

  5. VF25

    1 vote(s)
    5.9%

  6. VF30

    3 vote(s)
    17.6%

  7. VF35

    4 vote(s)
    23.5%

  8. XF40

    3 vote(s)
    17.6%

  9. XF45

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%

  10. Other

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
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  1. geekpryde

    geekpryde Husband and Father Moderator

    1829 50C (Regular Strike) Capped Bust Half Dollar Grade?​

    This is raw, and belongs to my nephew.

    Do you see any problems? What would you grade this coin? (use the poll, and add comments below)

    1829 Capped Bust Half Obv raw.jpg
    1829 Capped Bust Half Rev raw.jpg
     
    geekpryde, Jun 8, 2014
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  3. jello

    jello Not Expert★NormL®

    Can ya get rim photo ?Nothing jumps out as being odd ! Not China town from photos .
     
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  4. kanga

    kanga 65 Year Collector

    The dark "border" around the devices suggests to me that it's been cleaned.
    Not by dipping but I don't see hairlines from an abrasive cleaning.
    If I'm correct the method is something I'm not familiar with.
     
    kanga, Jun 8, 2014
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  5. doug444

    doug444 STAMPS and POSTCARDS too!

    I sold my Overton, but that short-flagged 5 might be a recognized variety.
     
    doug444, Jun 8, 2014
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  6. McBlzr

    McBlzr Sr Professional Collector

    VF35, very old cleaning, enviormental damage (green stuff arround the stars)
     
    McBlzr, Jun 9, 2014
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  7. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    IMO, it's a genuine xf40. Someone has used a toothpick to remove dirt from around the bust, etc which is why you have a lighter area up against Ms. Liberty but a dark outline away from her a bit.
     
    C-B-D, Jun 9, 2014
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  8. kanga

    kanga 65 Year Collector

    Interesting.
    I haven't (knowingly) encountered this before now.
    Hopefully I'll remember this.
     
    kanga, Jun 9, 2014
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  9. micbraun

    micbraun coindiccted Supporter

    XF but yes, it looks like env damage and cleaning
     
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  10. treylxapi47

    treylxapi47 Well-Known Member Dealer

    Is that why it kinda looked tooled? That was my initial impression when noticing how sharp the outline looked. What you explained also makes good sense.
     
    treylxapi47, Jun 9, 2014
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  11. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    If you click on the pics so they expand to full size you can see traces of the green in most of the recesses and protected areas, particularly the obv but it's on the rev too. This suggests to me that the coin was widely covered with PVC residue at one time that somebody tried to remove, but they just didn't get it all.

    Given that, if it was submitted I suspect it would come back environmental damage, either (high)VF or (low) XF details.
     
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  12. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    Does anyone else think that the surface may have been altered with tooling around the devices? Sure looks awfully sharp edged at the face.
     
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  13. geekpryde

    geekpryde Husband and Father Moderator

    Thanks everyone, good info.
     
    geekpryde, Jun 9, 2014
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  14. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I agree it has that look, but more so in the hair to me. That was the first thought that came to my mind when I looked at the coin. But a close look at the blow up pictures, seems to indicate otherwise.
     
    GDJMSP, Jun 9, 2014
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  15. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    Yeah, I agree with you--I think it is just contrast between the cleaned surfaces and the residue. But, it did look tooled initially to me.
     
    Morgandude11, Jun 9, 2014
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  16. geekpryde

    geekpryde Husband and Father Moderator

    I don't disagree with you, but I wonder you thoughts on this coin, which I think looks great, other than the radioactive green goo on the reverse: CLICK HERE

    408027_r.jpg

    This is CAC approved to boot, so what the heck.
     
    geekpryde, Jun 9, 2014
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  17. CamaroDMD

    CamaroDMD [Insert Clever Title]

    This was my first thought too.
     
    CamaroDMD, Jun 9, 2014
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  18. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    All that does is show the inconsistency of the TPGs. Dunno bout you but I've seen countless numbers of coins rejected because of environmental contamination. And if one has active PVC residue on it they won't even put it in a details or genuine slab.
     
    GDJMSP, Jun 9, 2014
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  19. wcoins

    wcoins GEM-ber

    Voted XF-40.
     
    wcoins, Jun 9, 2014
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  20. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank


    (cough, cough)

    I have to agree with Doug.

    Scary! huh?
     
    Treashunt, Jun 9, 2014
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  21. Mainebill

    Mainebill Bethany Danielle

    My view it looks like a vf-35 it doesn't appear to be improperly cleaner enough to get a details grade but I'd give it a nice long acetone soak to make sure there was no lingering PVC formunda lingering around before I sent it in
     
    Mainebill, Jun 12, 2014
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