Spot on graded quarter

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  1. JBGood

    JBGood Collector of coinage Supporter

    What is the spot to the left of Georges's nose? Do you think this developed after it was graded? image.jpg
     
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  3. rickmp

    rickmp Frequently flatulent.

    Possibly. What's the grade?
     
  4. JBGood

    JBGood Collector of coinage Supporter

    PF 66


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  5. torontokuba

    torontokuba Thread Crapper & Hijacker, TP please.

    I popped in thinking it was spot on grading, meaning accurate. I'm also curious about the grade it received. The spot is a bit blurry, but, it could be the development of toning. Sometimes mottled or spotted toning happens. Looks like there are spots near the rim on the right.

    This one has spots too, in mint state... http://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/index.aspx?CertNumber=3552890-021
     
  6. rickmp

    rickmp Frequently flatulent.

    Yeah, I'm thinking toning in the slab. Slabs are not air tight.
     
  7. torontokuba

    torontokuba Thread Crapper & Hijacker, TP please.

    ... and doesn't toning on proofs usually start out as noticeable, hazy, light colored spots? Would be less noticeable on frosted or circulation strike surfaces.
     
  8. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    looks like dip that wasn't washed off properly
     
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  9. torontokuba

    torontokuba Thread Crapper & Hijacker, TP please.

    For comparison, here is a proof coin with toning starting in a few spots.

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  10. JBGood

    JBGood Collector of coinage Supporter

    I assumed they were air tight!? That's a drag....


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  11. rickmp

    rickmp Frequently flatulent.

    I have some CuNi Ikes in slabs. They went into the slabs nice and clean. I stored them in a mahogany dresser for about three years. I took them out recently to find them all toned a great golden color.
     
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  12. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Since the Edge View holder couldn't be more than 6 years old, it's my guess that someone gave it a quick dip before submitting it and failed to rinse it thoroughly.

    Chris
     
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  13. Tom B

    Tom B TomB Everywhere Else

    It's truly impossible to know, without definitive images, if the spot was there prior to certification. Either way, it is not attractive.
     
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  14. JBGood

    JBGood Collector of coinage Supporter

    Gee, that hurts my feelings.


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  15. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    No, it doesn't. In this context when someone says spot they usually mean a small, or even tiny, circular dot. And toning on any coin does not start out as a small circular dot. It starts out covering small areas yes, and most often areas close to the rim. But there is no set pattern or geometrical shape that toning typically follows. The toning is dependent on what is causing it, and that can take many forms. Some of them may be concentrated and some will not. The most common form of toning occurs over virtually the entire coin at the same time, and begins the very instant that a coin is struck. And that is because all coinage metals oxidize due to exposure to the air.

    Spots, again in the context being used here, are typically of something coming into direct contact with the coin. That something can be a tiny drop of saliva, or a tiny fleck of organic material of any kind. And yes, even cardboard dust is an organic material. Even a tiny speck of human skin which flakes off of all of us on a continuous basis is organic material. And if a speck of that organic material happens to fall upon the surface of a coin and is left there, it is going to form a spot. That is because all organic material decays, and as it decays it affects the metal and causes a discoloration that shows up as a spot on the coin.

    Now if when you say spot you mean some small indistinct area, then yes. And on Proofs toning does usually first appear to be visible as a haze, typically around the rims first, but quickly spreading to cover more and more of the coin.
     
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  16. torontokuba

    torontokuba Thread Crapper & Hijacker, TP please.

    Alright then, someone must have been drooling or sweating over the coin.
     
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