Mother Of All Contests Framework

So, the missing (or not) rupee symbol didn't have much to do with it? It's just difficult to find?

 

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How 'bout, "What is Jay's favorite coin in his collection?" That way I get 5 points and everyone else gets 0. LOL!

I trust your judgement, Spock. The questions so far have been equally educational and challenging.

 

Suggestion. Have the finalists put together a Republic India Coin 'set' (type/series/other) of our choosing (make it visual with photos and display, but you don't have to own the coin) and write a paragraph about that coin set as if it were to be displayed in a coin show and then you choose your favorite one who gets all 5 points, your second favorite, who gets 3 points, and your third favorite who gets 1 point. And add 5 points for the person who pesters you the most creatively about choosing theirs. Anyone not in 1st-3rd place on this one gets minus 5 points. And if they don't submit an entry they get minus 10 points. And if you want to have it real special, give an extra point or two to the originator of the idea (me of course!)

 

You probably have a Republic of India display already made and want to show it off

 

That would knock me out for sure. I don't have any or know anyone who does...and I don't think you can just go around using other people's images without permission. Smart way to try to knock us out Kasia.

 

No, I don't have one already made. lol. But I figure if he's looking for suggestions, I might as well suggest something set up that could possibly gain me lots of points. Since that is needed to beat somebody here (talking at ya, Jay!). There are still lots of points I need to gain to have a chance to win this thing. As spock said, the gloves are off, and I will be there trying my best!

 

Also, regarding copyright of other's coin pics, here's a good starting place to think whether the photographer of a coin can claim copyright protection or not. A lot hinges on whether the coin (as a design, not the exact coin photographed as one of x number minted) is in the public domain or not and what creativity has gone into photographing it. If it is a true picture of a coin that is in the public domain (such as a coin that has been issued for use) then it has no creativity in the photograph and the photograph would not be copyrightable. http://www.coinsoftime.com/Articles/Copyright_of_Coin_Photographs.html . In fact, even though this can not be construed as legal advice, in looking at copyright laws regarding other things, there have been rulings that stress the uniqueness and creativity needed as input into something in order to get a copyright on it or to stop others from using it legally. One thing I read was the wiki on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feist_v._Rural, in which one publisher of a phone book tried to hold someone else liable for copyright infringement because they took the same names and published them themselves. When it went the Supreme Court, however, it was ruled that "facts" no matter who compiles them, are not copyrightable as it has no spark of imagination. But the spark of creativity doesn't have to be very much to get into play, though. So for what I take from that, it likely means if you take and use someone's photos of a coin (in which the coin has been issued, and is therefore public domain) that are special and have special creativity put into it, it may be a violation of copyright for that individual one, but if you just take a run of the mill photo (where no creativity is really in play) then the true and fair representation of that coin as a photograph is essentially just giving the facts, and it would not be a violation of copyright.

For Feist vs Rural, this was said in the wiki: "In regard to collections of facts, O'Connor stated that copyright can only apply to the creative aspects of collection: the creative choice of what data to include or exclude, the order and style in which the information is presented, etc., but not on the information itself. If Feist were to take the directory and rearrange it, it would destroy the copyright owned in the data. "Notwithstanding a valid copyright, a subsequent compiler remains free to use the facts contained in another's publication to aid in preparing a competing work, so long as the competing work does not feature the same selection and arrangement," O'Connor wrote."​

But if you take a someone's photograph of something that is not in the public domain, then you might be violating copyright.

 

Exceptional info Kasia! Thanks!

 

Some very nice posts here. So this is the next round. Round is open to the 5 of you. Put together a coin display set of your choosing it can be either an India set or a USA set of milled coins. You dont have to own the coins but dont do anything illegal.

Here is the catch. Your display should be educational to me and the 4 other finalists. In other words dont rehash something already found on the internet. Bring something original and education to the table. You can make it visual or make it visual with text or just text. If the other finalists dont post a comment on your display it will mean that they agree with what you posted 100% points range from - 5 to +5. You have till the 25th of June to post your entries and the end of the month to weigh in with your comments.

Best of luck

 

the system of printing paper money is not scientific from a collector point of view but it doing great from the reserve banks point of view

apparently the front plate was used from an older die but this doesnt explain the disappearance of the note

 

This may knock me out... work is super busy right now. We'll see.

 

You have 3 weeks and jay to deal with

 

I may lose my lead on this one. It has me flustered a bit. That being said, I will do my best in putting together something respectable. Definitely a challenge. Good luck to all!

 

I'm out. Thanks for the contest. Is anyone entering this round? Only a few days left.

 

I'm doing my presentation on one of the first milled coins to circulate in America. One of the first milled coins to
circulate in America was the Spanish Milled Dollar, also known as the Pieces of Eight, or Eight-Real Coin. In 1732, the Mexico City mint began striking milled coins. Milled coins are coins struck using machinery, instead of being hammered. I am showing how they changed, until the Coinage Act of 1792. I chose to present this coin because it is a historic and beautiful piece that I would be proud to have in my collection.

The first 8 Reales, that was milled in Mexico City, was struck from 1732-1747. It was made of 0.917 fine silver and weighed 27.067g. The obverse portrays a crowned shield, and the reverse has crowned globes flanked by crowned pillars, with date below.


The next was struck from 1747-1754. It was made of 0.917 fine silver and weighed 27.067 g. This coin was very similar to the previous issue. The rulers' name changed from Philip V to Ferdinand VI.




The next issue was struck from 1754-1760. It was also made of 0.917 fine silver and the weight remained the same. Ferdinand VI remained the ruler, so the main change to the design took place on the crown, on the left pillar of the reverse. It changed to an imperial crown.




The next issue was struck from 1760-1771. Silver content and weight remained the same. This time the ruler changed to Charles III.




The fifth issue marked the first major design change. Charles III remained the ruler, but the obverse design changed to an armored bust of Charles III, facing right. The date was also moved from the reverse to the obverse. The reverse portrayed a crowned shield flanked by pillars. The assayer initials and mint mark were, oddly, inverted from all other words. The silver content changed to 0.903, but the weight didn't change. This issue was only minted in 1772 and 1773.




The next issue corrected the assayer initials and mint mark, and everything else remained constant. These were minted from 1773-1784. From 1785-1789 the silver content changed to 0.896 fine, but the overall design and weight remained constant. In 1789, the silver content was changed back to 0.903 fine. While the overall design stayed the same, the rulers' name changed to Charles IV. In 1791, the silver content changed back to 0.896. Everything else remained constant and continued until 1808.




The Coinage Act of 1792 took place in the middle of this run, so this is where my type set ends. I hope you guys enjoy, and I am looking forward to comments.

As a side note: All images are courtesy of http://www.coinfactswiki.com.

 

Wartime Silver Alloy Jefferson Nickels.


This is a small series of Jefferson Nickels that can be collected. The normal composition for the U.S. nickel at the time the United States entered WWII was a Cupro-Nickel (25% Nickel, 75% Copper) alloy which resulted in a very hard and durable coin. This made good sense, because the nickel was one of the coins that saw the most use for a number of things like a candy bar or pack of gum, a cup of coffee or a 12 oz Pepsi (before 1936 Pepsi was sold in 6oz bottles); even the Nickel Comics began to be printed that year. It also was more in value than many items that were everyday ‘necessities’ for a lot of people. Postage for first class mail was only 3 cents, a newspaper cost 3 cents, and there really was the ‘penny postcard’. Much of life’s necessities competed for the use of many nickels in society, and they had to be long-wearing.

Some things a nickel could buy in 1941:




The nickel in 1941:




But all that changed when the US went to war at the end of 1941. As soon as war was declared it became known that certain metals were needed for the war effort; nickel was especially needed due to its strength as an alloy material. There weren’t many places the U.S. was getting their supply of Nickel from; primarily it came from the Sudbury area of Ontario, Canada, and the war machine was hungry for it. So the coinage would have to suffer by having its composition changed. Within four months from the entry of America in the war, Congress authorized the mint to change the composition to 50% copper and 50% silver ‘nickel’ yet also allowed it to be not a set alloy percentage; the mint could vary those percentages and also add others if it was needed. It then took about another six months for the mint to start up production on the new nickels with a final mix of 35% silver, 9% manganese and 56% copper. This alloy would be suitable for the nickel’s use during the war. No change was made to the weight or size of the nickel. It was important that use of these coins would be able to continue for machines. The delay in these issues did not impede on the country’s needs as in 1941 quite a few coins of this denomination were still on hand in the Treasury and able to be put into circulation. That year there had been over 300 million nickels minted. Also, in the interim between the start of 1942 and October of that year, just over an additional 63 million nickels were officially produced with the old materials available, but only by the Denver and Philadelphia mints.


(Nickel mined was to be used for war efforts, not coinage)


The biggest change in the war nickel as far as design was the change in size and placement of the mintmark. Each mint (Philadelphia, Denver, and San Francisco) was minting nickels during 1942 – 1945 and to distinguish these nickels from the previous composition, the mint mark was placed in a large, prominent position on the reverse. That way, the intent was, that these could easily be removed from circulation. None of the coins was expected to have to remain in circulation very long, perhaps only a few years.






The placement of the mintmark on the Silver War Nickels



The Jefferson War Nickels is a short series, it only encompasses 4 years in total, with 3 mints producing business strikes. The years and mints with their mintage figures (Silver alloy) is:


1942-P 57,873,000
1942-S 32,900,000
1943-P 271,165,000
1943-D 15,294,000
1943-S 104,060,000
1944-P 119,150,000
1944-D 32,309,000
1944-S 21,640,000
1945-P 119,408,100
1945-D 37,158,000
1945-S 58,939,000


Based on the above figures, a collection of business strike issues of these coins can be had with only 11 coins total. There is one proof issue available and that is the 1942P. So if you do a full collection of one of each of the strikes Business and Proof (without collecting errors or varieties) there is a total of 12 coins. The reverse which is the design change for these ‘silver’ nickels. This is quite an interesting small collection that someone can do.

 

These are a select few pattern coins designed with George T Morgan. These all are believed to be a modified or basis from the famous portrait of Anna W. Williams on the obverse (AkA liberty). This one below has the strongest look of her portrat.

They were all being considered to replace the seated series. Apparently the Barbers and Morgan had a feud of sorts dubbed by some as the "pattern war" for the replacement of the seated series. William Barber being the Chief Engraver of the time had considerable pull as to the bias of his son's (Charles Barber) designs. Of coarse the dollar ended up with Morgans design and Charles barber ended with his design on the Nickle first starting in 1883 and then the dime, quarter and half starting in 1982.

Anyways the pattern designs of Morgan have a wonderful place in history and it is interesting to see what might have been on our currency.

 

Correction on my above post... Date should have been 1892... I transposed the 8 and 9 lol.

 

All great entries.

 

Ok, comment time for Jay and Hallingood's presentations.

jay: I like your presentation as a whole. Those are really spectacular coins and I, too, would love the opportunity to own one of those beauties. It is informative and includes telling what a milled coin is, although it doesn't say why you chose to include that term. It does use the term "America" in what I would see as an interchangeable use of "USA" but these are not USA coins, even though they circulated freely and you mentioned that you stopped at the Coinage act of 1792. I think your piece would have been more powerful if you had found time to explain why that was a good ending point for your type set (i.e. this act established mints in the US and so no US coins were able to be minted officially by US mints until then) and then also that the coins also did officially circulate (remaining legal tender) in the US until the Coinage Act of 1857.

Hallingood: This is really a wonderful little presentation on the pattern coins and the Morgan Dollar designed by George T Morgan. Some of the reverses really impacted me in a way I didn't expect: I absolutely and without question love the Eagle and Shield designs. They are outstanding and I can appreciate his work much better now that I've seen those. I also think it was great that you included a blurb about Liberty being a version of Anna Williams and putting a picture of her in nearly the same pose as used on the Morgan. It really does show how similar the features are and makes me appreciate the Liberty design on the Morgan dollar more than I did before. The pattern coins would be a wonderful set for any numismatist to own. And you have chosen excellent images to use here and put in some 'human interest' in your piece as well.