Possible GM Roller press Lincoln Cent Pattern 1964D

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  1. FrankGreen

    FrankGreen New Member

    GEDC16071964s.jpg GEDC1595pattern.jpg GEDC16361964.jpg Found This a couple months back has A blue tone. Also perfectly centered underneath Lincoln chest on the rim it has an S inscription.
     

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  3. 19Lyds

    19Lyds Member of the United States of Confusion

    What do you mean "GM Roller Press"????
     
  4. FrankGreen

    FrankGreen New Member

    If I am not mistaken General Motors Had a trial Run for A couple of years with their experimental Roller press. In the end it was never adopted by any of the Mint Facilities. But they did however Strike quite a few coins. Google "1985 mint tries out new roller coining press". At the Bottom of that page it shows some Lincoln cent pattern examples.
     
  5. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    1985 Mint? So, why would they strike a 1964 coin?

    Chris
     
  6. FrankGreen

    FrankGreen New Member

    Google "GM roller press The complete guide to lincoln cents" on page 49 it might give some answers.
     
  7. robec

    robec Junior Member

    A couple of problems with your Lincoln test pattern.

    1. The machine was only used in Philadelphia which makes it highly doubtful they would use a Denver mint mark.

    2. They only produced regular cents in 1969, possibly as early as 1968............not 1964.
     
  8. FrankGreen

    FrankGreen New Member

    They could have used the old busted dies from 1964 denver to strike a few test coins. Lincolns nose is Broke off and the S inscription is a bit strange. It would be easy to mail an old working hub or dies than the whole machine press. JMHO Nice Coins with no inscriptions.
     
  9. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor Supporter

    I do not believe that the dies were the same as the vertical press dies, as they were mounted for rotary action. When postage stamps were converting from verticla presses to rotary presses, the size of the stamp was slightly different in size, and a stamp is relatively flat vs. a coin. Also these early tests were with nonsense coins as to details ( see pgs 50-51 of the book. The 's' may have been added by people trying to convince others that it was a rare 64-D produced in SF as there were none that year from SF.
     
  10. FrankGreen

    FrankGreen New Member

    I thought the S stands for staff. The denver working hubs could have been used to stamp impressions on the special rotary dies. Did you see the colored GM patterns pictures, the pictures from page 49 50 51 are black and white and are hard to see anything from those pictures.
     
  11. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    There are too many "could be's" and "what if's" in this thread for my taste.

    Chris
     
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  12. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    The "S" on the edge could be explained by a dropped letter that fell from the dies and got stuck inside the collar before the next coin (this coin) was struck.

    edit - in other words it's an ordinary '64-D coin.
     
    Last edited: May 23, 2014
  13. xGAJx

    xGAJx Happy

    Exactly what I was thinking.
     
  14. scottishmoney

    scottishmoney Buh bye

    PMD - Post Mint Damage.
     
  15. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    The roller press tests were in 1965 -69 (and the press was eventually set up in the new Philadelphia mint that would open in 1969) Supposedly some 1968 and 1969 cents may have actually been struck using to press but no 64's. Most of the pieces struck by the press are test designs or "nonsense" piece. A good article including images of the test pieces can be found at
    http://books.google.com/books?id=Rz...A#v=onepage&q=1969 roller press trial&f=false
     
  16. FrankGreen

    FrankGreen New Member

    Better pictures can be found here http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/1739975/site_id/1#import
     
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