Hub doubling/Mechanical doubling

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by cworley, May 10, 2014.

  1. non_cents

    non_cents Well-Known Member

    Mechanical doubling and a worn die (die deterioration) are caused by 2 different things, so "worn die" does not apply to all.

    MD relates to the improper installation of a die, a "worn die" is a coin struck by a worn die.
     
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  3. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    MD or loose die, once tighten, all good to go
     
  4. non_cents

    non_cents Well-Known Member

    Maybe so, but it's still different than a "worn die".
     
  5. gijoe76

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  6. justafarmer

    justafarmer Senior Member

    Mechanical Doubling originates in the coin manufacturing process. Doubled Hubs and Doubled Dies originate in the die manufacturing process. Addressing the issue of mechanical doubling occurring randomly throughout the coin striking process. This is both true and untrue. The mechanical reasons a coin press begins producing MD coinage may appear randomly but once these conditions are present the press will consistently produce MD coinage until these conditions are corrected.
     
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  7. gijoe76

    gijoe76 A Penny Saved is a Penny earned

    1991MS68RDobv_04Lg.jpg 1991large.jpg GiJoe_1991MS68RD_o6r3.jpg View attachment 330046 View attachment 330046 1991MS68RDobv_04Lg.jpg Let me know what everyone thinks caused this one. It is graded by NGC MS68RD. You can see some doubling on LIBERTY, the date and some from the bridge of Lincoln's nose down through the chin.
     
  8. atrox001

    atrox001 Senior Member

    This would be MDD...note the tops of RTY of LIBERTY and the profile, very typical Machine Damage Doubling.

    Larry Nienaber
     
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  9. non_cents

    non_cents Well-Known Member

    Agreed with larry. This one is mechanical doubling. Notice that the doubling is flat and shelf-like, and if you "remove" the doubled part, the design would appear smaller than normal.
     
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  10. atrox001

    atrox001 Senior Member

    Here is an example of a doubled die (50c 67 BS DDO-001) with Machine Damage Doubling (MDD) on it.
    Larry Nienaber
    67 DDO-001.JPG
     
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  11. gijoe76

    gijoe76 A Penny Saved is a Penny earned

    Thank you for the info. Even with the collection of doubled dies I have I am pretty new too learning about the causes
     
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  12. gijoe76

    gijoe76 A Penny Saved is a Penny earned

    2009FYcloseup_04.jpg GiJoe_2009FY_MS68RD_o1r4.jpg Ok I have another one to ask about. I know that this is classified as a Wexler WDDR-002 die variety. This coin is in my collection and still has a fairly low population. I know there are at least 10 varieties. Will NGC or PCGS recognize these in the future? These pictures are from my coin View attachment 330069 View attachment 330069
     
  13. gijoe76

    gijoe76 A Penny Saved is a Penny earned

    Also, is this consider a real doubled die in the same sense as the 55DDO or the 72DDO etc?
     
  14. cworley

    cworley Member

    I love the formative years DDRs. gijoe, what do you use to take pics of your coins?
     
  15. gijoe76

    gijoe76 A Penny Saved is a Penny earned

    One of the fellow coin talk members takes my photos. Let me see if I can get him to reply too your question
     
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