Ancient: Vespasian Upgrade

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by RaceBannon, Apr 29, 2014.

  1. RaceBannon

    RaceBannon Member

    My latest acquisition is this Vespasian As. I bought it as an upgrade to my previous Vespasian As, which coincidentally shares the same RIC attribution #.

    I suspect that this coin has been doctored. The patina is almost too green and the details around his eyes, nose and mouth on the portrait seem too sharp in relation to the rest of the coin. I'm still happy with this coin and intend to keep it, but I suspect it has been tooled and the patina somehow artificially enhanced. I suppose that is one of the risks you run when purchasing nicer coins. I still didn't spend what I would consider to be a large sum for it, and will chalk it up to lesson learned. Please share your thoughts.


    I've included my previous Vespasian as a reference. Doctored or not, it's still an upgrade to that coin, although despite the rough surfaces I still like the old coin, as it has character.

    Feel free to post your Vespasian examples.

    Vespasian: AD 69-79
    AE As; 28mm/10.1g; Rome mint
    OBV; IMP CAESAR VESP AVG COS V CENS, laureate head right/
    REV; S-C, Spes advancing left, holding flower & raising hem of robe.
    (Cohen 452, RIC I 360a)
    Vespasian OBV 3.JPG Vespasian REV 3.JPG Vespasian Obv.JPG Vespasian Rev.JPG
     
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  3. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Very nice upgrade. You did well IMHO.
     
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  4. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    He looks very thoughtful in that portrait.
     
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  5. IdesOfMarch01

    IdesOfMarch01 Well-Known Member

    Absolutely agree with your observations here -- plus the almost-horizontal line delineating the hair behind the ears also appears to be a re-engraving.

    The reverse appears to be untouched except for normal smoothing.

    Even if the green patina is artificially enhanced, that's nowhere nearly as bothersome as the tooling. Inasmuch as all the devices are intact and have sufficient relief to stand out, it's too bad that the obverse has been worked. It's a nice portrait and reverse.
     
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  6. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Nice upgrade!
     
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  7. RaceBannon

    RaceBannon Member

    And just for kicks...here's my Vespasian Denarius. For some reason I really like his portraits. I also like what I know of the man historically. I might start collecting just Vespasian for a while once I finish up my 12 Caesars set.

    Vespasian
    ; 69-79 AD
    Ar Denarius;
    OBV: IMP CAES VESP PM COS III Laureate, Bust, Right
    REV: AVGVR TRI POT; Sacrificial implements; simpulum, aspergillum, jug and lituus
    (RIC II 356)
    Vespasian OBV.JPG Vespasian REV.JPG
     
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  8. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    There is many Flavian specialists & vespasian has many reverse types to keep you occupied for a long time. But there is pricey ones.
     
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  9. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    I have one with the same reverse type, just not in as nice condition as yours:
    Vespasian6.jpg
     
  10. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    I can not explain the horizontal cut but do not see the suspected tooling as obvious as you do. Vespasian is not a specialty of mine and my examples are ordinary. The IVDAEA was of interest to me since I bought it from a recent Frank Robinson sale where it was listed as having been sold (same coin) in a sale over a decade ago for well less than it brought now. The moral to the story is that ancient coins do not always go up in value - especially ordinary grade ones.
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    Two dupondii - both orichalcum but the second does not have the radiate crown which was less than fully consistent by that time.
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  11. Ripley

    Ripley Senior Member

    MY 2 VESPASIAN'S[​IMG][​IMG][​IMG]
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  12. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Nice ... that's a sweet lookin' upgrade, Bannon (atta boy!!) ... I like the green hue ...

    Speakin' of odd lookin' hues, here is my only Vespasian example (these are the seller's photos) ... one day I'll reshoot this baby (yah, it is merely silver lookin' ... hey, don't judge me => I was still "even newer" than I am today at collecting ancient coins!!)

    Vespasian AR-Denarius
    (69-79 AD) - Rome 76 AD
    Weight: 3.4 grams
    Obverse: Laureate head right, IMP CAESAR VESPASIANVS AVG
    Reverse: eagle standing facing on garlanded base, hd. l., COS VIII
    Reference: S-2287


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  13. RaceBannon

    RaceBannon Member


    Sweet one Steve! Love the portrait...he looks angry...:mad:
     
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  14. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    nice new vespasian RB...an upgrade indeed. any vespasian at all would be an upgrade for me. :inpain:
     
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  15. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    A great portrait with nice looking patina


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  16. THCoins

    THCoins Well-Known Member

    My set of two:
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  17. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Nice looking coins THC.
     
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