Crazy about old copper coins

Here are a few large coppers

De Orc

 

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And a fairly nice Silver

De Orc

 

Here's a few of these copper hockey pucks from my collection. The first two from Anninsk. The third from Ekaterinburg. The fourth from Sestroretsk.

 

Aidan, I'm not too sure why you wouldn't be able to find one in 10 years. Maybe because there aren't any Russian migrants going to New Zealand? Over the last 4 years here in Australia I have seen at least 3 different examples of of the Defeat of Napolean, 5 1883 Coronation ruble and 4 1896 ones.

That's a nice one De Orc. Your Romanov ruble is the typical higher relief ruble.

You guys had to make me pull out some of my copper coins didn't you?

Here are some massive ones: they in total weight around 350.1grams.



You can see more examples at my omnicoin link.

 

Some nice coins on this thread!

Here are a couple of Mexican War of Independence coppers, as well. Not as large as Elizabeth Petrovna (daughter of Peter the Great) or Catherine the Great 5 kopecks, but also a popular type for a copper collector (or Mexican War of Independence affectionado, like myself):





~Roman

 

Speaking of ... I don't see any EP(Elizabeth Petrovna) coppers - are they not as popular as Catherine? I always liked that monogram better than IE2 monogram of Catherine the Great...

I don't have any myself, let me see if I can find a picture.

~Roman

 

Petrovna coppers aren't too common unlike Catherine. However try to find a Petrovna 1 kopek coin. Now that's going to be quite difficult. Appearently what is on the market are overstruck Swedish 1 ore coin, which is quite suprising.

Anyways here are mine:

1757 1 kopek overstruck on Swedish 1 ore coin


1757 2 kopeks over 1756 1 kopek over 1727(? - date unreadable) 5 kopek coin.


1759 2 kopeks over 1755 MMD 1 kopek over 1727 5 kopeks


Didn't bother to get the 5 kopeks as they are always too expensive.

 

I see what you mean - I can't even find a nice picture on EBay.

 

Here's a 2 Kopeks of Catherine's son Paul I,who succeeded her.It's still a pretty big thaler sized coin.

 

Some realy nice bits on show here :thumb: and those Mexican ones are totaly new to me at least so thanks for showing them, they look great :bow:

De Orc

 

De Orc, Mikjo0, Ian - very nice coins! Paul`s I copper coin design is almost basic but perfect.
Old Mexican, French pre-revolution and old Spanish copper coins are great, but I think that Russian are most interesting. I also like Austrian - esspecialy 15 and 30 kreuzer pieces.

 

Roman,you have to be extremely careful in relation to the coins of the Mexican War of Independence (1810-22),as there's a lot of fakes around.That particular 8 Reales with 'SUD' is one of the most commonly forged coins in the series.

Aidan.

 

The Brit's have their moments as well when it comes to copper.

For example, here's two of them (IMHO). The first is a copper 3d token that is a good bit bigger than a 5 kopeck piece, issued during the madness (and currency shortages) of George III. You wouldn't want to be carrying a lot of loose change around with you in 1813 Birmingham. This chunk of copper isn't particularly aesthetic but many of the smaller denomination conders (the 1/2d's in particular) are quite stunning.

The second is the infamous cartwheel two pence of 1797 which weighs in at two ounces of copper. It saw more action being used as grocer's weights than it did as currency. It has a baby brother in the penny, weighing in at one ounce. The appearance is exactly the same, just smaller.

 

Have not seen the 3p one before Ian nice looking token

De Orc

 

Ian,I have got 2 of those Birmingham Workhouse 3d. tokens.Did you know that the Birmingham Workhouse also issued a copper 6d.? Well,it is huge & extremely rare.

The famous 'Cartwheel' 1d. & 2d. coins also have the mintname 'SOHO'.Look behind Britannia's shield with a glass & you will see the mintname.The 1d. usually turns up extremely worn,but the 2d. seldom turns up.I have got a 2d.,as I bought it when it was offered to me a few years back.I still have it.

Aidan.

 

Yes, i'm aware of its existence although i've never seen one. It is catalogued in Seaby's `British Tokens and their values' (1970) as Warwickshire 28 and weighs in at between 5 oz 7 dwts and 5oz 3 dwts. There is also a later copy of it which is a bit smaller and lighter at 4 oz 8.5 dwts, and another on a thin flan which weighs in at 1oz 1.5 dwts. All catalogued in Seaby. Like many of the 19th Century tokens, the 3d is becoming exceptionally difficult to find in collectable condition.

Neither are particularly difficult to find here. Finding them without any edge knocks is THE difficult part. Most examples, even the ones that don't display much actual wear, usually sport edge bruises.

 

Ian,it is a real shame that there is no up to date catalogue of British Isles tokens.I wish there was a new edition of the Coincraft catalogues,especially the Pink Coincraft,which is very handy for coins from the Channel Islands,Ireland,Scotland,& the Isle of Man.I am surely glad that Richard Lobel never listed all those Manx medal-coins in his book.You'd need to have a book almost as thick as a Krause catalogue to list & illustrate every issue of Manx coinage,including the medal-coins.

Aidan.

 

I'm pretty sure that there is. It's just that I don't have one, nor do i have sufficient active interest in the subject to warrant going looking for them. I've always found Seaby's books adequate for my needs in terms of identification. Sure, the values are a good bit out of date, but you'd be absolutely nuts to rely on any particular catalogue values anyway.

Hmmm. I'm happy enough with the last ones issued. The prices in them seem to be more realistic now than they were when first issued. I don't think there's been any new discoveries since then sufficient to warrant a new edition.

I've yet to meet anyone who openly admits to actually collecting these things. I know that the `Manx Cat' series is actually very popular but other than that...........oh yes. they did an excellent depiction of Churchill (I won't post an image of it as it is not `copper' and therefore off topic for this thread).

 

I have a gold manx mog if that counts LOL

De Orc

 

Nah! Copper is as copper does...... here's a couple of copper Manx coins though....

1. early Vicky 1d (1839)


2. 1831 1/2d token


3. 1813 George III 1d (in cartwheel coinage style).