April Romans

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  1. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Hey, I'm still waiting for the first snowfall.
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  3. Gil-galad

    Gil-galad I AM SPARTACUS

    Bing, that's your place and pool?
     
  4. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    let's have a party at bings house!
     
  5. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    That's where he sits, sipping on his margarita, watching his bikini babes cavort.
     
  6. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    I wish (bikini babes that is). Yes, my house, but no snow again this year. I think there just may be something to this "global warming" thingy.
     
  7. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem


    => I'm in charge of bringin' the "ice"
     
  8. ValiantKnight

    ValiantKnight Well-Known Member

    What winter? :p
     
  9. vlaha

    vlaha Respect. The. Hat.

    I feel you Gil, I've had the flu for the past week. It's not fun, I have lost four pounds already.:oops:
     
  10. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Here's a nice little provincial I won today.

    Valerian I, AE20 of Alexandrea, Troas.
    Obv.: IMP LIC VALERIANVS AV, laureate, draped, cuirassed bust right
    Rev.: COL AVG above, TROA beneath horse grazing right.
    Reference: SNG von Aulock 7573 var (endings of both legends)

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  11. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Nice Valerian. I've always like the coins of Alexandria Troas.

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    VALERIAN I AE20
    OBVERSE: IMP LICI VALERIAN, laureate, draped and cuirassed bust right
    REVERSE: VCOL AVG TRO, horse grazing right
    Struck at Alexandria
    Troas, 253-60 AD
    4.86g, 21mm
    SNGCop 191v
     
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  12. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    I really like that new Valerian of yours, JA. Bing's is superb too. I've been wanting one of these Alexandria Troas types with just the horse in comparable condition to match my Sev Alexander with the accompanying shepherd.

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  13. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    I must be daft (please don't answer right away), but I don't understand what constitutes being an "April Roman"? ...

    ... but regardless, I have a Valerian I to toss into the ol' mix ...


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  14. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Nice coins, guys. The grazing horse type (and its variations) caught my eye because the design is so obviously a celebration of pastoralism, which seems so very un-Roman compared to the sea of coins that depict gods and goddesses and various images of military prowess.

    The grazing horse predates Roman influence in Troas - you find it on the earliest civic issues dating to the 3rd-century BC, paired with busts of Apollo and Tyche, and it didn't lose its popularity even after more traditional Roman provincial types were introduced. I see it on coins of Commodus, Caracalla, Elagabalus, Julia Paula, Severus Alexander, Julia Mamaea, Maximinus I, Maximus, Valerian I, Gallienus, and Valerian II. There's probably more.

    One of the most curious and (to me) astonishing reverse types out of Troas is the scene that combines military and pastoral themes. Here you have a soldier and probably an ordinary citizen seated at table, perhaps engaged in conversation over some wine, while a shepherd works in the background. There's no ostentatious display of...well, anything. Everybody is just chilling out.

    This is not my coin. It can be found at Wildwinds.

    http://www.wildwinds.com/coins/greece/troas/alexandreia/t.html

    Trebonianus Gallus AE 22mm of Alexandria Troas.
    Obv.: IMP VIB TREB GALLVS P F AVG, laureate, draped & cuirassed bust right.
    Rev.: COL AVG, TROAD in exergue, two beardless male figures facing each other, the one to the right holding out three arrows in his right hand & and bow in left; the other rests his right hand on his seat; between the two, upper part of bearded herdsman facing, holding pedum.
    Reference: Bellinger A402

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    Steve, by April Romans, I just mean that I'm going to post whatever Romans I collect during the month of April in this thread, rather than create a bunch of separate ones.
     
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  15. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Ummmm, speakin' of TROAS ...


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  16. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Steve, that top coin is from Sigeon in the region of Troas, right? As opposed to the Roman colony Alexandreia Troas.

    At any rate, super coins as always!
     
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  17. Gil-galad

    Gil-galad I AM SPARTACUS

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    Valerian I Billon Antoninianus. 2.6g, 23mm

    OBV: IMP C P LIC VALERIANVS PF AVG. Radiate, draped bust right.

    REV: VICTORIA AVGG. Victory standing left resting on shield and holding palm.

    REF: RIC 128C, Cohen 224
     
  18. Gil-galad

    Gil-galad I AM SPARTACUS

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    Valerian I AR Antoninianus. 253-260 AD, 3.3g, 23mm

    OBV: IMP C P LIC VALERIANVS PF AVG, Radiate, draped cuirassed bust right.

    REV: VIRT-VS AVGG, Valerian and Gallienus facing each other, one holding spear and globe, the other Victory and spear.

    REF: RIC 293v, Cohen 276
     
  19. Gil-galad

    Gil-galad I AM SPARTACUS

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    Valerian I BI Antoninianus. 253-260 AD, 2.1g, 20mm

    OBV: IMP C P LIC VALERIANVS PF AVG, Radiate, draped bust right.

    REV: ORIENS AVGG, Sol standing left, right hand raised, left hand holding whip.

    REF: RIC 106, Cohen 140; Sear5 9950
     
  20. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    => man, I can't slip anything by the ol' goalie, eh?


    ;)
     
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  21. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    I thought my coin depicted nothing more than a pastoral scene until I came across a thread in Forvm that suggested that the 'herdsman and horse' coins that were issued at Alexandria Troas during Imperial times were a synthesis of the earlier grazing horse type and the legend of Apollo Smintheus (Apollo the Mouse-Killer), whose worship in Troas began with his revelation to the herdsman Ordes and the recovery of his cult statue by Ordes. The author highlights the fact that the herdsman seems to lean forward, as if being lead to a discovery on the ground by the horse, and also that the convention of a tree in the scene is indication that it depicts a sacred area.

    For anyone interested in mythological types, that whole thread on Forvm is fascinating :
    http://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=25089.200
     
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