I posted this Cent awhile ago and was told it was die deterioration which to Me I thought had nothing to do with the thickness of the letters in TED & STATES. now coop said to me in My recent post of My 1993 DDO? that if there was another 1993 with the same doubling that would be considered a DD. now look at the LCR link dated 2009 and My 1996 cent which I recently found EXACT MATCH. http://www.lincolncentresource.net/forums/showthread.php?t=11753
This coin was struck from a very late die state (VLDS). The flow lines are as thick as mud. Die deterioration does have to do with thickness of letters. Just look at the state quarters. They are plagued with die deterioration doubling.
You're right. Your 96 seems to match pretty closely to the coin on the LCR thread. However that does not make it a doubled die. Like everyone said both here and on LCR - that is die deterioration. Jay is right, state quarters are a good thing to look at for examples. There's tons of them.
So die deterioration can produce the exact same match? The only place I see it is on the of the letters. also cant a Cent be Doubled die with Die Deterioration? So die deterioration can produce the exact same match? The only place I see it is on the tops of the letters. also cant a Cent be Doubled die with Die Deterioration?
tommy when a die is worn out all of the coins it strikes will look the same way. this still does not make them worth anything.
so when a Die is worn it makes the letters that thick in almost perfect shape except for the tops? why is it not present in UNI & OF AMERICA? is it a partially worn die? Im not trying to be funny I just want to understand this.
when I look at the state Quarters the letters are in bad shape and if its a late die state why do the letters retain most of their shape? and explain the doubling in the E of TED?
i see no doubling, but i do see expanded letters and radial flow lines common with die deterioration...
I notice I aks questions alot of times that never get answered. Is it possible for a coin to be doubled die with die deterioration present? why is the thickness not present in UNI & OF AMERICA? on any other coin these thick letters would have represented a DD. why not on this cent? is that not doubling in the E?
I see heavy flow lines and spreading on the coin, almost 100% indicative of die deterioration doubling. Pretty much no doubt that is what it is.
Yes. I'm sure some doubled dies make it to a very late die state. False. On any other coin that has die deterioration, it is die deterioration. It's not because it's yours, Tommy. It's not just "thickness". If you look at some class 6 doubled dies, they aren't perfect thick letters & numbers. They are thick and distorted. Look at this one for instance: http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/diestate.php?date=1939&die_id=1939p1do003&die_state=mds
Or, for an example or two that's less circulated... http://coppercoins.com/lincoln/diestate.php?date=1943&die_id=1943p1do001&die_state=eds http://coppercoins.com/lincoln/diestate.php?date=1934&die_id=1934p1do005&die_state=mds
Think about this, for example, the wooden triangular block with the golf tees puzzle/game. The tees are really tight to begin with. Play it a few hundred thousand times and the holes get wallowed out. The same thing is happening to the recessed areas of the die. The more metal that flows into those holes, the wider they become. This happens at an extremely microscopic rate, but it happens nonetheless. Can some parts wear faster than others? Yes. No matter how well the steel is made, some places are going to be weaker than others and wear faster.
It's not distorted in the same way that is indicative of a class VI doubled die. All signs point to die deterioration doubling for this one my friend.
the thickness is not present in other areas because the die is not wearing out evenly, it wears at a molecular level with many variables such as die hardness, planchet hardness, improper annealing, type of metals to name a few, all affecting how a die will deteriorate... what you see on the "E" is die deterioration doubling, When the dies strike the planchet to form a coin, the planchet metal is pushed into the cavities of the die to form the design.The constant movement of planchet metal across the surface of the die causes the die surface to wear and erode as time goes by.The eroded areas on the die are depressed, but on the coins they appear as raised areas.Since the greatest erosion is around the design elements such as the letters, date, etc. the new raised areas resemble doubling. it is not a doubled die... your coin also shows radial flow lines, a dead giveaway of die deterioration...
