Say there is a fire...

Wouldn't the plastic jugs very quickly melt and spill their water contents as soon as fire was engulfing them?

 

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That would all depend on the fire's intensity. Only one jug at a time would leak, and only on an as needed basis, the one then most susceptible to then current situation. Concrete floor and metal box and all, did you put the safe in a room made of loaded fuel tanks? You might want to look into home fire suppression systems

 

I'm curious if you have an unbiased reference to support these accusations.

 

Yeah, I do..

 

That is good to hear. Otherwise, I might suspect you were just slinging personal insults at gun owners for whatever misguided purpose.

 

Yeah...I don't think this is accurate. Most people who don't own guns may think this about gun owners...but that doesn't make it true.

 

Wow, so I guess I sit around and fantasize about shooting bad people...guess I should have become a cop. What an interesting blanket statement to day about gun owners. There are a lot more gun owners than you think. Many people shame gun owning, but yet secretly own them themselves, or hire people with guns to protect them. So if there are literally millions of guns owned by individuals, does that mean there are millions of accidental shooting each year?

 

I haven't read anything about possibly wrapping the coin containers in a fire resistant fabric prior to placing them in a safe. Something like Kevlar, or similar. This would help slow down the process of heat invasion and improve the chances that the fire burns out before reaching your coins.

 

Interesting idea...but I wonder if the exposure to heat and the chemicals from the wrap might be as damaging to the coins as the fire. I have no idea if it would or not.

 

There's more accidental deaths (or too many) than crimes being thwarted was my point.
I don't really care about the whole gun issue actually but was responding to a cliche'd off topic post, this was supposed to be about fires, but someone posted the typical '"Heres my AR-350 whatever that I protect my coins with." This is a coin forum, I don't really care about your gun. It seems to be a recurring theme and is annoying to me. I probably should have put "some fantasize" and not "most" but I stand by what I said. Is there really the need for home protection with that overkill rifle that was posted? When I see a fancy expensive gun, with scopes and attachments, like that posted I think it's for the "cool" factor. I don't think it's "cool". But I don't really care whatever guns people want to have for themselves, have at it..

 

I'm not sure if that's true.

Maybe not to you...but to some there is. I wouldn't use such a weapon for home defense but I certainly wouldn't call it "overkill." I personally own an AR-15 similar to the one pictured (not an "AR-350") and it's own of my favorite guns in my collection.

 

You do realize that the person invading your home could possess an AR-15 right? So wouldn't it put you at a disadvantage if you had an inferior firearm? I'll let you think about that for a second. I'm not saying everyone needs an assault rifle, but there is a reason that they are made and its not about "overkill" or looking fancy.

As far as accidents, that's unfortunate, but its Darwin's law of evolution.

People kill people, not guns.

 

I completely agree with your thinking...but my AR-15 would still not be my first choice. Lets say I grab it and I shoot the intruder. In all likelihood...that bullet will hit the intruder, go through him...and through the wall, outside the house across the street and into my neighbors house. I personally don't think high powered rifles are the right choice for home defense...but there are a lot of other good reasons to own them.

 

Agreed, a shotgun is probably more appropriate for home defense so you are much less likely to put any innocent peoples life at risk due to stray bullets.

 

You will want to saw off a shotgun for home defense. Makes turning it easier, especially in tight quarters. Also makes it louder which is not only intimidating to intruder(s), but also calls attention for help.

 

How about we get back on topic....Jeez. Not sure if it's the best defense against fire, but it gives me added comfort. A basic fire safe inside a 2hr fire safe for my more expensive coins, cash and documents. Worst case scenario I lose $3-5K in slabs and raws not in the inner safe but that's highly unlikely .

 

I'm not sure if the second safe will add protection or not...one would think it would though.

My only concern here is not about fire...but about storage conditions. Storing coins with firearms is not the best idea due to the chemicals on the guns. Guns have all kinds of oils on them as well as residue from gun powder (normally) and cleaning solvent. These chemicals produce vapors that I'd be concerned about affecting the coins.

 

Are you sure about that? Keep in mind one does not have to discharge a firearm to thwart a crime, so many of these thwarted crimes go unreported. Another point to consider is the fact that many burglars choose to steer clear of burglarizing homes, especially in states like Montana and Texas, for fear of being shot by a home owner.

Also, your ignorance is showing in regards to firearms in general. An AR-15 has LESS chance of over-penetrating and injuring people in adjacent rooms or houses than a 9mm handgun does.

 

Heh, as a scientist, that statement could open a whole can of worms, but I am not going to touch it...

Personally, I think this thread is just about ready for a good cat photo...

 

Depends on the ammo you're using.