[ancients] Klazomenai Diobol... go pig or go home

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  1. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    When I first decided to coin-stalk TIF, I realized that it was imperative I get myself a nice pigasus of Klazomenai. Afterall, who has a more impressive litter of rampaging flying boars on coins? Then, she had to go and get herself that extravagant Agathokles tetradrachm of hers, which quickly put an end to my budding coin-stalking hopes. :(

    I nevertheless decided to pick up this little Klazomenai diobol when I saw it unloved at a recent auction, and now that it's here, I'm really glad I did. There's some wear on it, but that doesn't detract from the fierce-looking pigasus. Also, the metal's good and it has the sort of deep toning I like... all in all one of my favorite coins so far this year. Seriously, the next time anyone is thinking of buying a lion/eagle/bull/stag coin, I highly recommend you place a flying boar under consideration as well.

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    IONIA, Klazomenai
    Circa 499 - 494 BC
    AR Diobol (1.35g, 10mm)
    SNG Kayhan 334–5, SNG von Aulock 1983.
    O: Forepart of winged boar right.
    R: Quadripartite incuse square.
     
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  3. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    I didn't realize I was being coin-stalked! Flattering? Yeah, let's go with that. (I coin-stalk Steve and others all the time ;))

    Nice pigasus, glad to see others taking an interest!

    I plan to expand my squadron. Rather than post each coin, I'll piece together a composite and post it shortly.
     
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  4. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Klazomenai Pigasi:

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    Top row: two AR diobol, including a less-common boar left.
    Middle row: drachm; later-date AE
    Bottom row: hard to make out but the animal above the ram is a winged boar

    Gathering my non-Klazomenai winged boars for the next post.
     
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  5. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Hmm, looks like I only have two more. There are at least 8 places that issued winged boar coins and someday I hope to have at least one from each. So far I only have Klazomenai (where the vast majority were made), Samos, and Rhodos.

    SamosPigasusLionDrachm-Redo-Med.jpg
    IONIA, Samos. 510-500 BC
    AR drachm, 13.7 mm, 3.2 gm
    Obv: forepart of winged boar left
    Rev: facing lion scalp with dotted square, within incuse square
    Ref: SNG Cop 1673

    CariaRhodosIalysosObolMed.jpg
    From a nice eBay score, misidentified and at a great price. This one is a bit different, a sweeter-looking pig. Looks more like Wilbur. Can't tell if that is a bristled ridge or its right wing.

    ISLANDS off CARIA, Rhodos. Ialysos. 480-408 BC
    AR Obol (or some other size-appropriate fractional name), 9 mm, 0.6 gm
    Obv: forepart of winged boar left
    Rev: helmeted head of Athena right within incuse square.
    Ref: SNG Keckman 315; Karl 373 (a guess based on a similar CNG coin...)

    There was some discussion about the origin and meaning of the winged boar. In Klazomenai, it may be from the legend of the Hus Klazomenaios, winged sow which rampaged through the islands.

    From http://www.theoi.com/Ther/HusKlazomenaios.html :

    Aelian, On Animals 12. 38 (trans. Scholfield) (Greek natural history C2nd A.D.) :
    "I have heard that on Klazomenai [and island west of Smyrna] there was a Sow with wings, and it ravaged the territory of Klazomenai. And Artemon records this in his Annals of Klazomenai. That is why there is a spot named and celebrated as `The Place of the Winged Sow,’ and it is famous. But if anyone regards this as myth, let him do so."

    A question was raised about the sex of these porkers, with someone pointing out that the bristled ridge is found in males, not females. However, yesterday I saw a coin which clearly depicted a sow and she has a bristled ridge. Not a winged pig but otherwise similar. A Mysia, Kyzikos EL hekte from CNG, a current offering which some lucky person is taking home today:

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  6. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    I only own two pig coins, but they pale in comparison to the ones already posted:
    Kyzikos, Mysia.JPG
    MYSIA AR Hemiobol
    OBVERSE: Forepart of running boar left, tunny fish behind upward
    REVERSE: Head of roaring lion left within incuse square, star above
    Struck at Kysikos, 480-450BC
    0.41 g, 9.5 mm
    Sear 3850

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    TRAJAN AE Quandran
    OBVERSE: IMP CAES TRAIAN AVG GERM, diademed bust of Hercules right with lion-skin on neck
    REVERSE: Boar walking right, SC in ex.
    Struck at Rome, 98-117 AD
    2g, 14mm
    RIC 702
     
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  7. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    I knew I didn't need to include any research with my post. :)

    I guess now I'll have to take a closer look at this lot, and while I'm at it the rest of today's catalog. A collector's job is never done...
     
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  8. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Great coin, Z! I only have one pig to share.

    Kyzikos, Mysia
    AR Tritatemorion, 9X12mm, 0.58g; 480-450 BC.
    Obv.: Forepart of running boar left, tunny fish facing upward.
    Rev.: Roaring lion.
    Notes: Ex Sidney Mygind.

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  9. Eng

    Eng Senior Eng

    Zumbly, awesome very cool lookin' coin. very good details, just remember, a herd pigs with feathers, will hang together...:p

    TIF, that a great herd you have there..;)
     
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  10. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Hey, Windchild's back. Welcome home, kid!
     
  11. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    You've been missed WC!
     
  12. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Wow => that's an outstanding pig farm we've got going-on here!!

    Great new flyin' swine, Z!! (it has very attractive eye-appeal) ... it's worn in all the right places (congrats)
     
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  13. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    cool pigasus Z, that is a coin that should not be left unloved!

    coin stalkers hu?!

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    uchihadesendent collector and seller

  15. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    dis is all I gots ...

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  16. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

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  17. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem


    => ooops ... is my face red?

    apparently I gots one more ...

    ... sorry, Princess (*yikes*)

    Mysia Kisthene Orontes a.jpg Mysia Kisthene Orontes b.jpg
     
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