Tiniest Ancient

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by 7Calbrey, Feb 22, 2014.

  1. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    Hi. This ancient oval coin measures only 8 millimeters at width and 10 mm. at length. It looks silver, may be Phoenician or Greek. Could you please assist me to identify this coin? Thanks.
    Charles Tiny ph O 001.jpg Tinyph R 001.jpg
     
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  3. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    I'm not at my computer at the moment, but I think it looks Indo Greek.
     
  4. Nemo

    Nemo Well-Known Member

    Phoenicia, Sidon AR 1/16 Shekel (obol). 4th cent BC. Obverse: War galley above double line of waves; above, Phoenician letter. Reverse: Persian king right holding lion, preparing to slay him; O between; all within incuse.
     
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  5. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Wow Nemo => you have good eyes and great skills, my friend!!
     
  6. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

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    Different letters; same basic type
     
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  7. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    The coin weighs 0.77 g. The letter between the king and the lion is likely to be a Phoenician R , and may possibly not be an O . What significance could it bear?
    Charles
     
  8. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Mine came with the note that the letters between the man and lion were Phoenician sideways for 27. Most of these seem to have an have a O. Mine also translated the letters above the galley as year 21. I do not know how accurate these are. I bought mine because the letters seemed clear compared to most but I never followed through with reading them myself.
     
  9. Nemo

    Nemo Well-Known Member

    That could be or.......... KingLion.jpg
    I might have one one of these myself. :)
     
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  10. vlaha

    vlaha Respect. The. Hat.

    Welcome to the funny farm/dark side/party house Nemo.
     
  11. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    Thanks for fun and research. I think we need to know if the Persian king on the obverse is Darius or other? Then , is this coin considered as Persian or typically Phoenician.
    Charles
     
  12. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    The answer to your question would be found in https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=Elayi and Elayi Sidon

    I have noted several different named kings of Sidon credited with these coins but all were subject to the great king of the Persians to some degree. Sidon rebelled against Artaxerxes III and probably issued coins during that period so I suspect the lion might be the city and the king the Persian (or is it the other way around?). Alexander may have ended the local coinage since we start seeing his types from that mint. I do not know details but would suggest starting with the Elayi book (published in 2004 but I don't know where you'll find one).
     
  13. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    http://ansmagazine.com/Spring06/Sidon
    The above review of Elayi discusses the reviewer's disagreement with the Elayi opinion on the ID of the figure on the coins so even buying the book will not get you a solid answer but just an opinion that may or may not be valid.
     
  14. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    I am proud of all of you.
    Charles
     
  15. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    Hello again. The letter O is a well known Phoenician consonant. It does not exist in Latin or Greek but only as a vowel. Only people of Semitic languages such as Hebrew and Arabic can pronounce it. The main point now is that both kings Abd Astart and Azar, in addition to Goddess Astarte all start their names with this letter O ( Ayn ) as they name it in the Phoenician language. Could that be a possible clue?
    Charles
     
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