Roman Republic bronze

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  1. ValiantKnight

    ValiantKnight Well-Known Member

    Wasn't originally planning on getting this one, but with the coin I purchased sold already, seller offered to sell me another coin or my money back. This looked like a decent coin, was cheap in price, and my collection lacks Roman Republic coins like its not even funny, so I went off my beaten path a bit and chose this one.
    I'm too lazy to search for an attribution right now, but I do believe its from the late 200s BC correct?
    And seller has yet to get back to me on its size, so what would be the approximate size for this type?
    Thanks.


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  3. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    An interesting addition. I havent jumped into roman republic bronze, only silver. I mainly havent only because I dont find them too attractive for my personal tastes. Theres alot to study with these, if interested.
     
  4. Gil-galad

    Gil-galad I AM SPARTACUS

    Nice coin, I like it! Those can be different sizes. Just have to wait until the seller tells you or when you get it. Would have to know if it's an As, semis, etc.
     
  5. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Jango => that's a sweet new AE RR ... I love those coins!!

    I didn't try to track-down your coin, but I have a few ranging from 180 BC through 80 BC (maybe I'll try to show them a bit later on)

    ... Gil-galad is correct (knowing the denom, weight, etc, would certainly help with the ol' search)
     
  6. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    is it a semuncia? it kind of reminds me of mine...but not quite..

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  7. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    I'm not much of a republican collector either. Cool pick up though.
     
  8. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    I see coins like yours with the prow reverse for sale on Ebay, but I don't own any and I know little about them. I think yours shows is an anonymous bronze Republican semis showing the head of Saturn and the prow of a ship. I often am tempted to bid on this type, however. Good addition.
     
  9. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    I said "semis" when I suppose the weight could make a difference in the denomination.
     
  10. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    I'm pretty sure that the good ol' "S" (mark of value) is associated with a "Semis"?

    Roman Republic
    Post Reform AE Semis (Anonymous)

    Rome Mint
    Circa 88 BC?
    Diameter: 21 mm
    Weight: 5.96 grams
    Obverse: Laureate head of Jupiter right (or perhaps Saturn?); S (mark of value) behind
    Reverse: Prow of galley right; S (mark of value) above; to right, dolphin downward, ROMA in exergue
    Reference: Crawford-; Sydenham_; BMCRR II, p. 589, 10
    Other: 2h, dark green patina



    AE Semis a.jpg

    AE Semis b.jpg
     
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  11. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Ummm, again => always take ancient coin-advice from stevex6 with a grain of salt, but as with the "S" and the Semis, I'm thinking the three-pellets must be an indicator for a "quadrans"? (gawd, I don't even believe my own hypothesis!!)


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    ... anyway ... here is a quadrans for comparison ...

    Anonymous AE20 quadrans
    128 BC
    Diameter: 20.2 mm
    Weight: 4.29 grams
    Obverse: Head of Hercules right, wearing lion’s skin; behind, three pellets
    Reverse: Prow of galley right; above, elephant’s head right; before, three pellet; below, ROMA
    Reference: Crawford 262/4; Sydenham 497b; Caecilia 41
    Other: scarce

    Anonymous AE Quadrans Prow & Elephant a.jpg


    Anonymous AE Quadrans Prow & Elephant b.jpg
     
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  12. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Ummm, yah I know that Doug speaks of even bigger AE Roman Republics, but these two babies are as big as I can show ya ...

    They're two examples of an AE As ... in these cases the "I" is definitely the mark of value (fer sure)

    Anonymous, Roman Republic Æ As
    Rome Mint
    Circa 179-170 BC
    Diameter: 35 mm
    Weight: 33.82 grams
    Obverse: Laureate head of Janus; I above
    Reverse: Prow of Galley right; “FLY” above, [ROMA] below



    Anonymous AE As Fly a.jpg Anonymous AE As Fly b.jpg




    Anonymous Roman Republican Æ As
    169-158 BC
    Rome mint
    Diameter: 35 mm
    Weight: 26.42 grams
    Obverse: Laureate head of bearded Janus; I (mark of value) above
    Reverse: Prow of galley right; above, she-wolf standing right, head left, suckling the twins Romulus and Remus; I (mark of value) to right



    Anonymous Roman Republican Janus a.jpg Anonymous Roman Republican Janus b.jpg
     
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  13. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    So Jango => ummm, after all of that coin-overload => I'm fairly sure that's an "S" in front of your prow, so I think that you're lookin' at a sweet Semis (that's a cool cool coin) ...

    Cheers brother (thanks for allowing me to air-out my wares!!)
     
  14. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    the As crossed my mind as well, on VK's coin there is a sharp angle behind the jaw...like there could have been another janus face on there.
     
  15. ValiantKnight

    ValiantKnight Well-Known Member

    Thanks guys and cool coins. What would the approximate year range be?
     
  16. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Once you have it in hand searching for the attribution should be easier.

    If you don't already have it bookmarked, Andrew McCabe's site is a good first stop for Roman Republicans. It's a little cumbersome to navigate but when it comes to RRs, he's the man.

    http://andrewmccabe.ancients.info/
     
  17. Gil-galad

    Gil-galad I AM SPARTACUS

    That guy is definitely the pro at Roman Republic coins.
     
  18. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    In case you wondered how it is that Andrew McCabe knows a bit about Republicans, he posted a photo of his bookshelves. Not all of these are books on Republicans but he is a bit top heavy when it comes to the series. I'd guess over half of these books are on Republicans and many of them are rare books. You can read the spine labels if you click on the small photos.
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/ahala_rome/sets/72157641011578314/
     
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  19. ValiantKnight

    ValiantKnight Well-Known Member

    I got the coin in the mail today. Width is 21/22 mm, and weight I'd say around 9-10 gr. I've tried to find a matching coin to mine but, although there were close ones, have had no luck. I'm hoping someone can help me out with these measurements.
     
  20. ValiantKnight

    ValiantKnight Well-Known Member

    I looked some more and I've narrowed it down to two possible attributions:

    Star series Æ Semis. Rome, 169-158 BC. Crawford 196
    (for this example) 2. 13.23g, 24mm, 7h
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    Anonymous (staff series), Semis,Rome, 206-195 BC, AE,
    (this example) 14,71g, 27 mm, 6h. Crawford 112/4; Sydenham
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  21. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    I'm not certain that the portrait in the original image has a beard. Of course, you would know better with it in hand.
     
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