1800/79 or 1800/1798 Draped Bust Cent?

This coin had so much potential to be something more. Look at how much detail is left in the profile. My best guess is that it was buried for sometime. In addition to the corrosion there is a slight bend. All that aside is this the 79 or the 1798 .

 

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Awesome find. Date is still visible so that's a plus. That has to be an extremely rare error.

 

That is one of the 1800/179 varieties, not one of the 1800/1798 varieties. There are 11 different overdate varieties in 1800, 4 1800/1798 and 7 1800/179. Yours is S-194.

 

Great coin! After looking at it closely, I believe it's a S-192 (1800 over 179 w/ 2nd Hair style). R3.

If you look at Obverse, the 1 & 8 are close, compared to the remaining 0's. The first 0 shows the undercut 9 clearly. The last 0 is problem free. The 8 seems to show the 7 clearly in the upper right portion of the digit. Additionally, the position of the E with the HPH, along with the I for the down slope of the back of the head seem to have a unique alignment when compared to other overdates of this series.

On the Reverse... Much of it is obscured, however, the lettering of ONE with the O being lower set than the rest of the word. The C in cent also at a different height. There can even be seen what I think is a die crack running from the I in America, through the ribbon tails, through the denominator bar and through the 1 in 100.

I'm still a novice at attributing Large Cents... so please.. wait for other input before labeling this coin.

 

*** EDIT**** I posted my writing after Condor wrote his up. Didn't see his posting until after mine was posted.

You think S-194? My pictures of the S-194 (from heritage auction) has a date shape irregularities when comparing it to the OP's coin. (specifically on the clearness of the undercut 9, the 7 under the 8, and the shape/position of the 0).

If i'm missing an obvious diagnostic, I'd love to learn it so I don't confuse this variety in the future ( I am being serious here... not sarcastic in any way!).

 

Is the 1800/179 type I gotta get home to look at my books to be sure of variety I'll take a better look later

 

Thank you all for having a look, please let me know if you need better or more specific pictures.

 

You have the s-196 with the last 0 high and both corners of the 7 showing I can't tell much about the reverse fraction bar but from the obverse I'm saying s-196

 

Also the 7 is above the upper circle of the 8 the s-194 the 7 fills the upper part of the circle of the 8 and is not so clearly visible above the top

 

S-196 common r-1 still the 1800/179 have a real soft spot for me I had one when I was around 8-10 got lost when we moved from Massachusetts when I was 12,

 

I erred. The obv's of S-192/193 and 194/195 are similar and I was hasty. The position of the hair waves below the E and R are further left than on 194/195. (It can't be 196 because the hair waves are much further left than on 196.) I didn't think the shape of the 9 inside the 0 was quite right for 192/193 but the hair position tells me I was wrong. I can't say for sure if it is 192 or 193 because the rev is too blurry and I can't see the distinctive cracks that come on those two varieties

 

I will get a better picture of the reverse for you tomorrow condor. It is a little hard with all of the corrosion. Would it be recommended to soak this coin to take care of the verdigris?

 

I concur with Conder's second look. Sheldon's Obverse 2 (S-192/S-193) has the HWH on the left side of the upright of R. The easier way for me to differentiate it is the gap between E and R being wider than on Obverse 3. The more difficult determination is the Reverse; however, the obverse has an additional feature inside the second 0 in the date which looks like damage, but which is some type of chip or rust feature from the die. I see it on the comps for the S-192, but not on the comps of S-193. While I do not know if this is diagnostic, it certainly makes the S-192 the more likely candidate. I also note the wear pattern shows more wear below the crack of Reverse C without showing the crack itself, so definitive attribution is still elusive.

After reviewing Breen's Encyclopedia, it appears both S-192 and S-193 mention the same rust areas around the second 0 of the date. All Die State markers on both varieties are entirely constructed on the die progression of the reverse dies.

An interesting possibility is the early die states of the varieties where the usually diagnostic cracks have not yet appeared.

Any new photos should include the space above the E of AMERICA since the S-193 has a marker there.

I'll say S-192 after zeroing in on the berry and stem above and left of O(N). The S-192 stem attaches high on the berry and the S-193 stem attaches at the middle of the berry. I think there is enough there to indicate the stem attaches high on that berry.

 

First.... I must toot my own horn for possibly getting the attribution correct... so... "TOOT TOOT"... I'm still new at it, and there is a lot to learn. I appreciate what I consider the experts opinions on this site. Their knowledge is vast, and anytime I can learn from them... I always appreciate it.

However, everyone is correct when they say a clearer image of the Reverse is necessary to figure out the exact attribution of this coin.

What does everyone think the condition would be? I would say VG Details Net AG-3+ due to corrosion.

 

As requested here are some better pictures.

 

The detail grade will be MUCH higher, perhaps XF Details with a huge deduction for condition. The hair to brow line is still there and only minimal wear on the bust line. But this is where the eBayers have a lot to learn. CONDITION can pull this XF Details down to the AG/G price range which doesn't compute when looking at the Redbook or similar price guides.

 

The new photos are nice. It does put the question of reverse identification back in play though. The stem at the berry at O(N) looks centered on the new photos.

The leaves below(N)T definitely have a stem so S-193 is ruled out. S-192 fits if we consider the stem at C(E) to be damage rather than the stem.

 

Well Done, Sir. Well Done.

 

I think I can see the right curving crackthat passes just below the right foor of the 1 in the numeration through the ribbon, andthe end ofthe right stem. It shows best on the lighter rev picture that is rotated 90 degrees counterclockwise. That would fit with 192.

 

I did my best to try and highlight what I think is a crack in that area. The coin is a little rough to see even in hand. Should I do anything to try and treat the verdigris?