ID and Value........

A poster in another forum posted concerning a coin she had bought. I've added an image below.

It bears the arms and legends of a 1/4 taler from Bremen, Germany but the only one I know of is very scarce and dated 1651.....rather ominously, hers is dated 1652.

I'm fairly convinced that her coin is a fake or a replica but I just don't know for sure based solely on a poor image and a KM catalogue (1st edition) that is out of date. If anyone has a recent edition KM 1601 -1700 could they check this out and let me know if it is catalogued (?)




cheers,

Ian

 

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The Second Edition still shows only 1651 for this coin.

 

Thanks for that Roy. Quite apart from the date, the design of the crown above the Bremen coat of arms is entirely different. The only explanation I had (other than being fake) was that KM has ommitted to catalogue an entirely different coin type. While not impossible in the first edition, it is highly unlikely for the second. I'm even more convinced that it is a fake now.

Needless to say, the lady bought the coin on ebay..........

cheers,

Ian

 

Also in the Third Edition there is only 1651 in 2 variations: 1651 TI NOVA. and 1651 TI NOVA: (no 1652)

Apart from the crown above the Bremen arms, also the lions in the arms are different. In the reverse legend the image in Krause shows the word AUGUS. for Augustus, as the coin shown by Ian bears the word AUGUST

I would consider this a very suspicious coin.

bart

 

Ian, Bart, Ruben et al:
Forgive my ignorance, but looking at the coin, even though it is only a picture, how do you guys collect these.
The coin shown looks very good to my untrained eyes.
What I mean, I guess, is how do you go to a coin show and buy anything, when a coin like this one looks so good.
Or do you always lug your Krause catalogue around?
I would imagine that it is even more difficult with ancients?

 

Thanks for the info Bart.

 

Hi Frank,

To me your question is akin to asking `how do you ride a bicycle'. One method I guess is reading up on the `how to'. Another method is `practice makes perfect' (along with taking the knocks and bruises that comes with making mistakes). The best well worn addage in coin collecting is `buy the book before you buy the coin. A lesser known addendum to that is READ the books that you have bought before buying the coin.

Knowledge is power. The more knowledge you have the less likely you are to be burned or feel the need to lug your reference library about with you. Alternatively, you can always endeavour to find a reputable and reliable dealer you are happy to work with......and blame them if they feed you a fake. Another addage that is apt in that case is `if you don't know your coins you had better darn well know your dealers home address'.

 

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Apparently the seller of the coin has got back saying that it appears in `World of Coins' 1988. I haven't heard of that book.....anyone?

Ian

 

Thanks for that Doug. I had a look but it seems that it was published in 1998, and that makes me wonder if its the right one given that the one referred to was dated 1988.

He might even have been referring to a 1988 edition of KM for all I know. That's the worst about getting info passed along second hand.....just too many variables to work with.

 

aaaaah! That explains all. I bow to your wisdom :bow:

Now I just need to find someone with a copy of it at hand.......

Thanks Doug.

 

It looks too round to be a hammered coin.That is an indication of being a dud as well.

Aidan.

 

Not listed in the 1977 Standard Catalog of World Coins, by Krause.