GTG: 1948 Franklin

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by bsowa1029, Jan 10, 2014.

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What did NGC give for a grade?

  1. 63

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  2. 63 FBL

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  3. 64

    13.3%
  4. 64 FBL

    13.3%
  5. 65

    20.0%
  6. 65 FBL

    40.0%
  7. 66

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  8. 66 FBL

    6.7%
  9. Details

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  10. AU

    6.7%
  1. bsowa1029

    bsowa1029 Franklin Half Addict

    Posted this same thread over at NGC to see what the consensus was over there. Now I'd like to hear what people over here think.

    Bought this coin raw about two and a half years ago. Had it submitted to NGC a little over a year ago. What do you think it came back as?
    Please vote in the poll.
    Also, give a brief explanation of your decision if you'd like.

    1948 50C NGC MS 64 FBL Obv.jpg 1948 50C NGC MS 64 FBL Rev.jpg 1948 50C NGC MS 64 FBL Lines.jpg
     
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  3. BHPM Trader

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  4. mlov43

    mlov43 주화 수집가

    I'll go with that.
     
  5. torontokuba

    torontokuba Thread Crapper & Hijacker, TP please.

    I'll try AU. Nice die crack on the bell.;)
     
  6. BUncirculated

    BUncirculated Well-Known Member

    Since it's NGC who assesses both sets of bell lines, I'd say the might have slide it into the FBL designation, I see ever slight noise on the top lines west of the crack, but I don't think it's enough to not get the FBL.

    64 FBL
     
  7. 65 FBL. I'm going off of the pics, and I see no wear. Minimal marks gets it to the 65 IMO.
     
  8. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    That is just what I was seeing.
     
  9. Kirkuleez

    Kirkuleez 80 proof

    I'll go with MS-65.
     
  10. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    I went with 65 FBL. With killer luster I could see it in a 66 holder.
     
  11. bsowa1029

    bsowa1029 Franklin Half Addict

    The results were pretty much the same over at the NGC forum. Most people thought it was a 65 and most thought it was FBL as well. However, NGC thinks it is a 64 FBL.

    Here is an NGC 64 Franklin I own just to compare.
    As you can see this coin has several minor nicks on both sides as well as one pretty major one on both sides(Franklin's jawline and low left set of bell Lines)
    1961 50C Obv NGC64.jpg
    1961 50C Rev NGC64.jpg
    Now here are a couple NGC 65 FBL's of mine to compare as well.
    I think the obverse of the 1948 I posted is nicer than that of this 56 and the reverses are about the same.

    1956 50C NGC MS 65 FBL obv.jpg 1956 50C NGC MS 65 FBL rev.jpg
    Comparing the 48 to the 60, they're about the same.

    1960 50C NGC MS 65 FBL Obv.jpg 1960 50C NGC MS 65 FBL Rev.jpg

    I think NGC under graded the 48 and should have given it a 65 FBL.
     
    Last edited: Jan 11, 2014
  12. BHPM Trader

    BHPM Trader Active Member

    After studying your comparisons, it would seem that at the very least you could submit the '48 to CAC for verification. Just not so sure that it would be worth spending another $12.50 for the green sticker.
     
  13. bsowa1029

    bsowa1029 Franklin Half Addict

    Yeah I've thought about that.
    There's a good sized coin show next month nearby that I'm going to bring the coin to and get some opinions from some dealers there then I'll decide what I want to do with it afterwards.
     
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  14. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    I'm going to guess it's a luster issue.
     
  15. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    That is just what I was going to say. And it is one of the hardest things to show in pictures.
     
  16. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    As hard as I try I can't catch it. Color is easy but luster is really tough for me.
     
  17. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    When you are trying to compare one coin to another to estimate the grade, you should never use coins of a different date & mint than the object coin. You should only use coins of the same date, same mint. That's because different dates/mints are graded differently than other dates/mints.

    You also have to keep in mind that there are 5 primary grading criteria, and 4 secondary grading criteria. And any single one of those 8 things, or a combination of them, can be the reason for a given coin to be graded lower, or higher. That's why you can look at a hundred different coins all of the same date/mint, and all graded exactly the same - yet they all look different from each other.

    Not understanding this is why so many people get confused or don't understand why coins are graded as they are.
     
  18. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    You never have said what the luster is like in hand. With that said, the value is about $20 apart from 64 FBL to 65 FBL. I don't understand the need to do anything with it at this point. It's a nice coin. I would just be happy with it.
     
  19. Numis-addict

    Numis-addict Addicted to coins

    I just voted in the poll before scrolling down:oops:. I do agree though, it is FBL (though I think it was close to not making it) and a 65. Either way, it's a nice coin.
     
  20. rysherms

    rysherms Alpha Member

    i love NGC, but i am not ignorant. i would be disappointed that they gave it a 64.

    we are going off of pics, which is tricky, but from the pics, this one looks significantly better than that 64, simply based on the number of nicks and scratches. you win some and you lose some, but i would def have a bad taste in my mouth with NGC for that.
     
  21. bsowa1029

    bsowa1029 Franklin Half Addict

    In hand the luster is great. Full on blazing cartwheel. The images come nowhere close to capturing it.
     
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