1916 MPL?

Just wanted everyone's opinion on this one before I have it graded. Seems to have the wide and "deep dish" rims. It also has more detail than some of my MS64 1916's. Also a mottled surface.

 

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Those are very nice rims... I am not an expert (barely a novice) at distinguishing matte proofs. I do plan on ordering Flynn's book on the topic though.

Judging your coin, I am torn. My gut wants to say it is just a very nice business strike. I do hope I am wrong though.

She is a beaut, though.

 

It may well be a "Matte Proof" coin. Most regular minted coins of that era, are not as defined. It's a high grade, so do not try to clean, and touch the surface. Take it to someone that you know, or at a show or club and have one look at it. Place it in a 2X2 of coin case. Nice coin.

 

I disagree. ^.- 1916 was a well-struck year for the Philly mint.

 

Can you post the highest res possible pics of the O in God and the 9 in the date.
For obverse 1 of thec1916 MPL the upper right part of the O is broken in all except the earliest die states.

For obverse 2 there should be a small die gouge in the upper center part of the 9.

I cannot see these die markers in the photos but that may be a resolution issue.

It is a very well struck coin but I am leaning no.

 

New Lincoln cent hubs were produced in 1916, which resulted in some spectacularly well struck examples from this year. For this particular coin, I vote non-proof.

 

Thanks for the replies so far.. i ordered Flynn's book a couple years ago and broke it out today. There's not a lot of info for really early or really late die states. It does have a broken 'O' though.
Bare with me..I'm performing a balancing act with my iPhone, a loupe, and some boxes.

 

CONGRATS!!!! That broken O is a perfect match.

Give me a few minutes to post a pic from Flynn's book

 

As an aside, not all MPL's have those perfect rims. Here's a perfect example of a 1909 that I wouldn't have paid $30 for but is PR64 RB:

http://images.goldbergauctions.com/php/lot_auc.php?site=1&sale=78&lot=954&lang=1

 

Actually I can't post the pics because of copywrited material and the mods will pull it, but from the picture of the date I also can see the die scratches around the 1 and 9 are also a perfect match.

That is one heck of a find.

Mike

 

I'm not entirely convinced.. ..but I have hope! I have a 1916 MS63RB graded by ANACS that also has a mottled surface and a broken "O", but not the rims or other markers. Is being struck with proof dies a possibility?

 

I imagine it is, but that is one of those areas of how does anyone tell. The die markers are a clear match and it has the characterustics of an MPL.

 

Can you post the pic of your other 1916 to see if that broken O is the same as the posted coin?

 

Your image of the date has changed my mind and I think this may be a proof, or at least struck from proof dies.

 

Actually there could be another way to tell. In the latest die state of Obverse 1 the are 3 scratches through the W. If those scratches are not present, that would mean it is a mid die state coin and proofs were struck after the posted coin so he could not be a BS with proof dies.

 

Maybe the photos but I still see beveled edge.

 

There aren't any lines through the "W". I'm going to post the broken "O" on my MS63RB in a little bit.

 

Here it is. Broke it out b/c it has a stronger strike and more appealing than any other MS63 I've seen.

 

Yeah, broken O but this coin is not a match to Obv 1 for the 1916 MPL, the other one is.

 

Without the lines, I think you can confidently say it is a mid die state Obv 1 MPL.